My new project, it's a "Jem" of a guitar

[GAR]

An 10 ounce aerosol can should be good for about 3 ounces of finish and 6 of thinner.

A do-it-yourselfer should use a quart of Deft lacquer wood finish of any clear kind: sanding sealer, semi-gloss, gloss - doesn't matter if you are just filling porous grain with it.

I have learned that you can reduce the sealer 2:1 with lacquer thinner, and another 10% with acetone. Acetone makes it flash real fast - skinning it over faster keep the fucking bugs off it. I use a throwaway chip brush 3" and brush on sealer, gotten fairly decent results just for building sealer coats I dont use a gun.

Ive done a couple bodies with Krylon, even so, I used spray clear first, then sanded, then color. No primer.

Took a month to dry, but then again, you get what you pay for when going all out with a pressure gun setup and lacquer.

[Igosplut]

Took a month to dry, but then again, you get what you pay for when going all out with a pressure gun setup and lacquer.

Where do you get Lacquer paint to mix in a gun there pinhead?

Lacquer has been outlawed in most all states (MA in 2000 and Cal was before that) because of the solvents released.

Another bullshit story debunked....

[kwame k]

You know what's funny...........Clay seems to think everyone needs his permission to build their real guitars. Paint it with fucking Rust-Oleum if you want, it's your guitar.

[GAR]

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http://www.macraesbluebook.com/search/company.cfm?company=589886

http://www.valspar.com/

http://www.houseofkolor.com/

http://www.sherwin-williams.com/oem/us/eng/products/sherwood_hibild_precat_lacquer/

http://www.pittsburghpaints.com/our_products/specialty/speedline_lacquer/index.htm

[GAR]

You know what's funny...........Clay seems to think everyone needs his permission to build their real guitars. Paint it with fucking Rust-Oleum if you want, it's your guitar.

Those bare-naked shells could use a few coats of Rust-Oleum Hammertone Silver.

[Igosplut]

Automotive Acrylic Lacquer (the kind mixed with Lacquer thinner) has been outlawed in most states because of the 80% thinners released when painting. I see your links are for interior wood Lacquers (except valspar who do not list Lacquer in their search) These Lacquers all (reading it in their product sheets) HAVE to activated with their own perspective catalyst to work/dry. NONE of them activate with Lacquer thinner, in fact two state that thinner react with the catalyst to halt it (aid to cleaning up). And all warn against mixing anything other than the catalyst in that the chemical reaction will not take place. These are not oil based (that can be cut with thinners like acetone) and not the acrylic (that are thinned and propelled with thinners). These are HAPS compliant stand-alone products.

Didn't know that. They say you learn something everyday..

Bottom line is you would of had me, except the way you describe mixing them (with incompatibles). If you had left that out, I might of thought you were telling the truth about something. But this is more "Close, but no cigar"....

[GAR]

Doooooode... no product named "lacquer" requires a hardener to activate it.

Lacquer is naturally-aspirated, meaning the pigments and plasticisers are melted together in a fluid that when the volatile solvents flash off, they lock together forming a film that dries
down thru all layers.

VOC's aren't banned, they're regulated. Nitrocellulose based lacquer is dangerous and explosive because it comes from natural fibers, and acrylic pigments come from petroleum pigments - ie man-made.

There's no difference in thinners, both lacquers are the same, neither is banned.

Nitrocellulose-based is now so expensive you wouldn't want to paint a car or motorcycle with it. Acrylic works but fades.

[jhale667]

VOC's aren't banned, they're regulated. Nitrocellulose based lacquer is dangerous and explosive because it comes from natural fibers, and acrylic pigments come from petroleum pigments - ie man-made.

There's no difference in thinners, both lacquers are the same, neither is banned.

Nitrocellulose-based is now so expensive you wouldn't want to paint a car or motorcycle with it. Acrylic works but fades.

Think you're actually right (statistically it has to happen once in a while) there. I can get the canned Stew Mac Nitro in CA, just can't have it shipped to me Next Day Air or anything, because it's considered "Hazardous".

You could still do a basic clear or solid for under $100 with their stuff.

[GAR]

sheeeyett.. I used to use PPG acrylic waterclear lacquer, $14 per quart.

That was back in 87 though, last I bought.. 100 is nuts! I could do 7 or 8 bodies in clear final coat with a quart!!

[jhale667]

Why would you do Acrylic if you can get Nitro? :D

[kwame k]

Why would you do Acrylic if you can get Nitro? :D

....because that's what the message board said where he steals his info from

[Igosplut]

Doooooode... no product named "lacquer" requires a hardener to activate it.

Read your own links dipshit, that's where I got the info..

Lacquer is naturally-aspirated, meaning the pigments and plasticisers are melted together in a fluid that when the volatile solvents flash off, they lock together forming a film that dries
down thru all layers.

VOC's aren't banned, they're regulated. Nitrocellulose based lacquer is dangerous and explosive because it comes from natural fibers, and acrylic pigments come from petroleum pigments - ie man-made.

HERE"S a quote from a professional auto painting website:

Lacquers: Paints that dry by evaporative loss of solvent. The film remains susceptible to attack by the same or similar solvents. Lacquers can be based on nitrocellulose or acrylic resins. These paints are illegal according to V.O.C. regulations in almost every state in the U.S


There are other sites that have that info that I found.
And thats why the links you gave me were different compound- based Lacquers for wood that had to have activators....

There's no difference in thinners, both lacquers are the same, neither is banned.

See above

Nitrocellulose-based is now so expensive you wouldn't want to paint a car or motorcycle with it. Acrylic works but fades.

Most modern paints leave Lacquer paint in the dust. First thing you've said right all day..

[GAR]

Why would you do Acrylic if you can get Nitro? :D

Well, acrylic is a little more durable and easier to maintain.. less susceptible to cracking checking and hazing and doesn't yellow so badly as nitro.

And if what you're quoting for prices on nitro, cheaper.

PC Guardsman Lacquers used to be the one to use in the 80s and they were really good nitro lacquers, but they got bought out and are now called "Guardsman Chemical Inc." and I don't think they make it anymore.

[Diamondjimi]

You keep painting your houses, let's leave the guitar finishes to those who actually spray stuff..

alkyd=google goggles

Alkyd ,big word for ya ,eh?

FYI, I own and use a Graco 4900 HVLP (that's high pressure,low volume- just saving ya some Google time ,Bish) and a Graco 495 airless prayer for different types of spraying that I do.

GARunich, since you have shown NO proof of you actually owning a guitar, your Google drivvel holds no water in this forum. Everything you speak of is in past tense. Your post's reek of envy and jealousy directed to those of us here that actually own,build and post gear pic.'s.
Your blabbering ,run on ,jibber jabber post's are about as interesting to read as Blaze or Thomes on med days.
You own nothing , you play nothing. you know nothing ,you are nothing...

Why the fuck are you still here... oh yeah, you're banned from every DLR forum on the internet....

Of course, thats more proper...

But you can seal wood with paint. I've done it and it's lasted over 18 years beautifully...

Yes it can be done and work out. Using finish paints directly to unprimed wood ,as you've experienced, has a longer curing time thus leaving the wood surface softer until proper curing has taken place. Which means more time between coats .
Primer has better penetration and dries hard as stone

[rustoffa]

I alsi have a 78 650 Special and a parts bike i'm trying to turn into an early Triumph looking bike with open pipes and no front fender...

Put a knobby tire on the front for extra style points!!!