The Top 100 most influental people in VH message board history.

[cadaverdog]

I am with you. I wish that site all the best, if nothing else then for the fact that I like to keep some of those people there, away from me.

I do think it's sad to see so much bitterness there. Sure, you don't have to have a lunch thread, but does half of the threads have to be about people here?

But best of luck!

You say you wish them the best then you make another statement about all the bitterness there. Then you repeat the same old they're talking about us most or half of the time bullshit. You're making a running commentary about another site having a running commentary about this site. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[cadaverdog]

Moderator for a day and you got it all figured out, eh ??

Says the fired moderator. You don't have to be a moderator to know what one is. Or what they're supposed to be anyway. They are not censors of content they don't agree with or rulers of the conversations they moderate. They are there to see that the conversations keep within certain limits of the rules of the forum not within the limits of a personal agenda.

[ELVIS]

Get off your high horse, dude...

[cadaverdog]

That might be wise in your case, meth teeth are bad for you...

I still got my teeth. I'm sure you don't. With a mouth like yours likely somebody's knocked them out long ago. It was probably the African mercenary you had deported from Australia with the help of the CIA.

[chefcraig]

You don't have to be a moderator to know what one is. Or what they're supposed to be anyway. They are not censors of content they don't agree with or rulers of the conversations they moderate. They are there to see that the conversations keep within certain limits of the rules of the forum not within the limits of a personal agenda.

I totally agree about the extent of personal bias, yet when it comes to curtailing thread derailment, being such an oddball myself, I really can't offer all that much. The truth is, I enjoy conversation (albeit typed), and love the way things can go off into tangents of all sorts, be it references to movies, trivia, ect. In real life, this is the way folks communicate, so why should it be any different in cyberspace?

OK, I appreciate the fact that a certain part of the populace wants to keep things all buttoned down and in order, yet for me, when I'm not taking care of a patron, doing some ultimately senseless filing, putting shit away that will only be taken out so I can put it away again in an abject form of futility while waiting for a smoke break, I'm in for as much chaos as possible to break the overwhelming spirit of monotony.

[cadaverdog]

Get off your high horse, dude...

Come back to reality, dude. How often have your posts or threads been dumped and renamed some witty shit like "Elbow spreads the bullshit deep" or "Elvis is an inbred hick" by some overreacting mod?

[Warham]

Of my numerous character flaws, disloyalty has never been among them. I've been here for 8 years now and I've never gone anywhere else with the exception of a handful of posts at DDLR when the Army crashed for awhile.

Roth On!

Why is it disloyal to post somewhere else? Many of us in this community predate the Army itself and posted at the Slawterhouse, the DLRML, the VHML and the Links among other places.

[ELVIS]

Come back to reality, dude. How often have your posts or threads been dumped and renamed some witty shit like "Elbow spreads the bullshit deep" or "Elvis is an inbred hick" by some overreacting mod?

Not many, but what's your point, that the old mods sucked ??

What else is new...

[cadaverdog]

I totally agree about the extent of personal bias, yet when it comes to curtailing thread derailment, being such an oddball myself, I really can't offer all that much. The truth is, I enjoy conversation (albeit typed), and love the way things can go off into tangents of all sorts, be it references to movies, trivia, ect. In real life, this is the way folks communicate, so why should it be any different in cyberspace?

OK, I appreciate the fact that a certain part of the populace wants to keep things all buttoned down and in order, yet for me, when I'm not taking care of a patron, doing some ultimately senseless filing, putting shit away that will only be taken out so I can put it away again in an abject form of futility while waiting for a smoke break, I'm in for as much chaos as possible to break the overwhelming spirit of monotony.

We've had our differences but I've always respected your personal style. You simply ignore the people who piss you off unless they break the rules then you act accordingly. It's not personal with you. You give your opinion of the post but you don't attack the poster. You'd get my vote if the leadership of the site was voted on by the other members.

[WARF]

Not many, but what's your point, that the old mods sucked ??

What else is new...

Re-Mod ELVIS for the front line!

[cadaverdog]

Not many, but what's your point, that the old mods sucked ??

What else is new...

A couple posts ago I was on a high horse for saying the same thing. Make up your mind.

[ELVIS]

You just don't understand me...

I'm just keeping you in check...

You're cool with me though...

For now...

[chefcraig]

We've had our differences but I've always respected your personal style. You simply ignore the people who piss you off unless they break the rules then you act accordingly. It's not personal with you. You give your opinion of the post but you don't attack the poster. You'd get my vote if the leadership of the site was voted on by the other members.

Thank you for the kind words, dude. I felt this post merited more than a simple "Thanks" stamp.

In and of itself, people tend to throw out insults or emoticons rather than actually saying anything new, at least it appears to me these days. Seriously, who wants to read more of the same old same old "Yer mamma" type baloney anymore?

Duh, I didn't just fall off the back of the potato truck, and I'm aware that most of these hostilities have a basis in events from the past. But why labor under that illusion to the point where one's objectivity goes flying out the window and crashes to the pavement? It just seems like an epic waste of time to me.

[fryingdutchman]

Why is it disloyal to post somewhere else? Many of us in this community predate the Army itself and posted at the Slawterhouse, the DLRML, the VHML and the Links among other places.

Because it seems like the development of DLRF was done not because of a pressing need for another Roth/VH forum, but rather as a "fuck you" to the Roth Army and a personal shot at a segment of its membership. I've seen that sentiment both indirectly and directly alluded to over there.

It seems we've been down this road before. And to invoke the Links as an example of "friendly, cross-forum posting" seems a little disingenuous. A large portion of Links-related posts I've seen here over the years have been by people slamming it, and slamming it hard.

Competition between forums is always part of the deal, and it usually crosses the line into downright nastiness.

People had issues with Roth Chats and numerous other forums over the years.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't post at other existing forums. Knock yourselves out and have fun.

But to go out and deliberately start a new one from scratch and have its members give the appearance that they're trying to poach members from here seems a little dastardly. It seems like a long-term solution to a short term issue, and I'd rather tough out the bad times at a long standing place I feel comfortable with then have some short-lived high times at the new place in town.

To me, this is "Cheers" vs. "Gary's Old Town Tavern." I think everybody knows which is which as it relates to the respective sites.

[fryingdutchman]

I was being sarcastic. I don't know how many times I've seen members here (talking about members here, not site policy) talk down to newer members over who's been here longer or who's posted more. I really wondered why they accepted new members if they felt they were so insignificant as posters. They even have a who's who of trolls that they trot out once in a while. Moderators should moderate according to the rules and not their personal opinions of the relevance of the poster.

Understood and thanks for the explanation.