Roth Army

[kwame k]

What happened to you? When did this become the DLRPTA?

Go back and read what happened it's all there in black and white.

I'm not going to let you get away with this reinvention.

The pictures of his wife were redacted.

Link please if I'm wrong and you are correct?

One afternoon my time a suicide pic was put up and Von deleted it within a very short time.

Who did you drive away? GAR was already gone. I'm not saying it was you but there was enough dissent at gangs of mods not being able to take a step back and take the higher ground that a whole swathe of people had upped sticks while at the same time the war raged here they could claim that the new site was a place of peace and fun.

The amount of hypocrisy and bullshit some people have said on this whole thing is staggering.

I've been here since close to the start. I sat down for 3 days and worked out what I thought was the best thing to do which was to go back to early 2000s DLR Army. I admit that was more difficult because of social media so I put in some safeguards about images. There were mods embroiled in a war that had to go so best to get rid of all of them so that fingers weren't pointed and go for tech people who wouldn't get involved.

Also in this new fantasy narrative you guys have concocted we seem to be ignoring the FACT that I did ban Flappo and I did get a bunch of personal images of me posted at the other site which were subsequently taken down.

So really I don't know if you are being deliberately fucking stupid or you just missed some of the nuances of this crap or if you all sit around chatting online and I came out as the scapegoat for all of this I don't give a shit but I won't let you post crap about me here without calling it out.

You're really taking the martyr road here?

Wow! I'm in fantasy land while you have delusions of grandeur that we sit around all day long talking about you or this site......wow, just plain wow!

I'm too fucking stupid? Really? Attack the messenger, not the message......lame!

All the while you have entirely missed the point that you allowed these people to continue to post here after having to constantly take down/edit the vile shit they kept posting! You banned Flappo way after the damage was done!

That's the whole fucking point, dude!

Keep saying that we reinvented the past, if it helps you, but it's a far far stretch from the truth!

[kwame k]

You missed everything we were trying to say Sesh but no matter.

Sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees. It's just a website. Hopefully everyone can be cool to each other going forward.

We're just too stupid and revisionist

[DONNIEP]

The only reason I didn't ban you when I banned Flappo was that you suddenly stopped posting.

That may have coincided with me cutting off his liquor money...

[ashstralia]

racial slurs,.

You're a skirt wearing offal eater, and you talk funny!

[DONNIEP]

You're a skirt wearing offal eater, and you talk funny!

Oh, you've crossed the line now...

[Seshmeister]

You missed everything we were trying to say Sesh but no matter.

Sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees. It's just a website. Hopefully everyone can be cool to each other going forward.

No I didn't miss it.

I bet I spent a lot more time thinking about it than any of you did, I knew I was putting my neck on the line here.

There has been some misinterpretation of what happened and some post event spin.

The place was fucked when I came in. Absolutely.

I did end up banning people and I did delete personal information where it was found.

I could have banned some people a bit earlier or not unbanned them in the first place but that was because I am an optimist.

When Sarge passed the site over to me I got a lot of great encouragement from both sides that I was someone they could both deal with.

Tabula Rasa - a clean slate.

Go read the thread.

The fact it turned out they REALLY REALLY couldn't get over it is not my fault.

I did all I could and I tried hard behind the scenes too. It's difficult sometimes in an online environment where you assume if the guy can type a personal message he is vaguely on planet earth, I guess I don't have as much experience of coke as WARF.

Maybe I should in hindsight have banned a little earlier but I think given the cards I had I played them as well as I could have.

[kwame k]

Also yes just now things are quiet but my plan did work. The other site has gone, people are returning and there is peace in the land.

The solution suggested by Romeo and others seems to be to have banned the people you didn't like for being rude and nasty, to continue the ongoing war here, to try and find someone apart from me or VA to put up with the crap while paying to do so and to also start some new editing policy where teams of people would sit looking for racial slurs, rudeness and nastiness and immediately delete them and ban the people using them unless you liked them.

What?

Man.....I actually thought you'd do a good job here! You did good work at DDLR.

Ban the people we didn't like......WTF are you talking about?

How about banning people who were posting vicious and vile personal shit.......way beneath any standard of free speech!

How about having even the tiniest shred of moral decency towards members here!

Damn, the martyr bug has bit you hard, dude!

[WARF]

The only reason I didn't ban you when I banned Flappo was that you suddenly stopped posting.

As I said last night I'm genuinely shocked at the bullshit that has obviously been going on about me at lesser list based music sites.

If it wasn't for my gang attacking everyone, you wouldn't be webmaster!
So, I guess everything works out for a reason.

I got no grudges against anyone. I just want some new music from Van Halen. I've learned the only way to end fighting is by not fighting. I'm also trying to avoid LIKING posts without having my take on the situation. It kinda makes me wish the LIKE button was gone.

[Seshmeister]

You're really taking the martyr road here?

No I'm just refusing to take the blame for a bunch of supposedly grown men screaming shit at each other for 6 months and then blaming the guy who tried to sort out the fight at the end.

We always got on great and you appear here months after the event calling me lame and a coward and you think I'm not going to react to that?

[Seshmeister]

What?

Man.....I actually thought you'd do a good job here! You did good work at DDLR.

Ban the people we didn't like......WTF are you talking about?

How about banning people who were posting vicious and vile personal shit.......way beneath any standard of free speech!

How about having even the tiniest shred of moral decency towards members here!

Damn, the martyr bug has bit you hard, dude!

You have a short memory.

The DDLR model was EXACTLY what we put in here because it had worked so well there. That website was great.

EXACTLY the same fucking model here except allowing people to have pics taken down because of social media.

Problem was we were starting from a shitty place.

[TFM_Dale]

The only reason I didn't ban you when I banned Flappo was that you suddenly stopped posting.

As I said last night I'm genuinely shocked at the bullshit that has obviously been going on about me at lesser list based music sites.

Please post the evidence of somebody posting about you, it is a forum, it must be there someplace. Don't flatter yourself, we have better things to discuss unlike you. How many times in the past few days have you taken a pot shot at people not even talking to you? You call it lesser sites I call it a site with some common sense and decency. You make the comments, get people to give examples, then act offended and butt hurt about it. If you want it to end shut up about it, people were getting along fine before you took yet another shot at the people that took a break from the site.

[kwame k]

My memory is just fine.........the way the whole mess was handled by allowing it to continue for as long as it did ruined this site, Sesh!

You know what........fuck it! Could of, would of, should of.....hindsight 20/20 and all that BS!

I probably have some blame in all this, too!

So for my part, I apologize to anyone I offended, you included Sesh!

I'd love to post here again and seeing how everything has sorted itself out, I might drop by more frequently.....spent a lot of time here!

[TFM_Dale]

I would argue it was quite easy to avoid getting involved in the 'war' that went on here for months and many of our regular posters did just that. The majority of the people that seem to feel most hard done by got involved in arguments with trolls on a site which since it's inception said it wouldn't censor and then got upset when they inevitably got abuse from them.

Here is you starting it, Hell, Warf and I even cleared a few things up before this but you had to get yet another dig in. You sure seem bothered by another site, why is that? A good amount of us post at both, is that a problem for you? Seems pretty restrictive for the champion of free speech.

[Seshmeister]

I haven't checked the timescales but this seems to be about the final few weeks of a flame war that went on for many months.

Under my tenure it ended.

I could argue it may have still been going on if I hadn't played it the way I had. No one died. Some people who had put pictures of themselves on the internet were called fat by other fat people.

I mean really, take a step back FFS.

Much much worse things happen on the internet every day some much worse things have happened at VH Links the gold standard in censorship and control.

[Seshmeister]

Here is you starting it, Hell, Warf and I even cleared a few things up before this but you had to get yet another dig in. You sure seem bothered by another site, why is that? A good amount of us post at both, is that a problem for you? Seems pretty restrictive for the champion of free speech.

Oh lighten up Francis.