Is Dave Still Getting Fuckover by the Sisters?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by kennyboy
Oh yeah! Does anyone have a scan of the pamphlet?

Chelle could probably give you one. She was at a few shows.:D

[Dave's Dradle]

Unfortunately for Dave his lawsuit really was without merit. Should Van Halen have included Dave when they reworked their contract, absolutely, it would have been the ethical thing to do since he did atleast 1/4th work. Dave could have and should have renegotiated his contract with Warner's when he was a hot commodity, but by the time VH redid their contract I don't even think Dave was with Warner anymore and therefore did not have any leverage to redo his deal. Van Halen at the time they renegotiated was still one of the biggest bands on the planet and at the time Warner was struggling to keep their top acts (if I remember correctly), so VH had alot of leverage to redo their royalties on their back catalog.

So basically, legal yes, ethical no.

[Banned]

Come on! Dave totally has the upper hand now. Van Halen has 2 choices at this point.

A) Retire

B) Bring back Dave


If they want to retire the great Van Halen properly and in the fashion in which this great band DESERVES, they need to bring back Dave. Make a new album with him and go on Fairwell tour. ONLY THEN, will they be ably to retire with EVERY VH fan satisfied and with the dignity a band like VH deserves.

However, Ed may not give a fuck...

[frenchie]

are you who i think you are,banned????????

[Switch84]

Flawed theory, but interesting

Originally posted by Dave's Dradle
Unfortunately for Dave his lawsuit really was without merit. Should Van Halen have included Dave when they reworked their contract, absolutely, it would have been the ethical thing to do since he did atleast 1/4th work. Dave could have and should have renegotiated his contract with Warner's when he was a hot commodity, but by the time VH redid their contract I don't even think Dave was with Warner anymore and therefore did not have any leverage to redo his deal. Van Halen at the time they renegotiated was still one of the biggest bands on the planet and at the time Warner was struggling to keep their top acts (if I remember correctly), so VH had alot of leverage to redo their royalties on their back catalog.

So basically, legal yes, ethical no.

:p Van Hagar wasn't that friggin' great; Warner Brothers dropped them like a hot potoato. I remember Edwina bitchin' about WB not caring about or supporting older acts. This was about the time Prince was fighting WB, too.

Just because you're not with the label you've done work with before doesn't mean that they're exempt from paying you the money owed for the work you did under them. Warner Brothers knew Davy Baby could get much more money from them than he could get from the Sisters, so I agree with the WB paying Dave scenario. And it's not over. Davy Baby could still sue the Shithead Sisters and Fat Mike!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by bueno bob
This is one big fuckin' conspiracy....Van Halen has schemed for YEARS to keep us away from the truth...and the truth is, you can blame THIS MAN HERE for EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PROBLEM Van Halen has EVER had!!!!

C'mon, Mikey's just a stooge that plays really bad bass solos. Really, really bad bass solos.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Banned
Come on! Dave totally has the upper hand now. Van Halen has 2 choices at this point.

A) Retire

B) Bring back Dave


If they want to retire the great Van Halen properly and in the fashion in which this great band DESERVES, they need to bring back Dave. Make a new album with him and go on Fairwell tour. ONLY THEN, will they be ably to retire with EVERY VH fan satisfied and with the dignity a band like VH deserves.

However, Ed may not give a fuck...

I heard Ed was talking about hiring Patty Smyth after Dave left in 1985("I am the warrior...Shootin' at the walls of heart ache...bang, bang). I'm not kidding.

[Switch84]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I heard Ed was talking about hiring Patty Smyth after Dave left in 1985("I am the warrior...Shootin' at the walls of heart ache...bang, bang). I'm not kidding.

YUCK!!

[Terry]

Might be a moot point now, in terms of how WB looks at it.

How much is a Van Halen album gonna sell now, regardless of who sings on it. Roth would probably do the most, but the most at this point may not be more than a few million copies.

Balance that off with what would be a high percentage of the artist royalty rate a new Halen album would require, and the sheer amount of legal fees negotiating the whole thing, and the idea of WB paying off Dave as an inducement to release a hypothetical future album with VH on the WB label sounds like a stroll into the Grassy Knoll area. It's apparent to all that classic VH can't even present an award (1996) or even rehearse in private (2000) without it melting down, and Van Halen with Hagar at the helm isn't gonna make as much money as it used to in terms of record sales if the piss-warm response to the three new 2004 tracks are any indication.

Dave's Dradle hit it on the head in terms of the timing of the renegotiation, when Roth was on his way off the WB roster of artists around 1994, and Van Hagar were still a viable commodity to sell records.

Thing that always struck me funny is how Roth apparently never got wind of the renegotiation until years later. Even took a few years after being duped by the brothers in 1996 for him to figure out he was being screwed and bring suit. For a guy who seems like he's got a lot on the ball, he sure misread this situation by almost a decade. Either that, or Roth couldn't bring himself to believe the guys he had worked with for all those years were capable of such skullduggery.

I'm sure the sheep will say it was all Scotty Ross's fault, or some such bullshit.

[Big Train]

I don't think any of it is "unethical", at least on Dave's side. You have a clear case of collusion between two parties against him. It's bullshit and he had every righ t to be paid all that he was owed. Which is why it was a closely held secret. How would he have known if the others were making more than he was? Do you discuss your finances with others openly?

When he did find out, he filed suit, they attempted to play hardball for a bit, then decided they couldn't win, pardon the pun "It was a slam dunk case" and they relented and paid him what they owed to avoid more expense.

Ed probably told him in a drunken moment during rehearsal or a conversation. Perhaps a disgruntled Sam dropped a dime, who knows.

[bueno bob]

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