Which rock guitarists had as much as Eddie Van Halen after the VH explosion?

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Originally posted by dave_is_vh

Point being is not that Yngwie is better than EVH but that Yngwie was as innovative, if not more innovative, than EVH.

Wrong. More people grew up wanting to BE Eddie than they did Yngwie.

[DLRdelight!]

Eddy is a rock legend, Eddie is the best

[LickMyCream]

I played violin since I was 3 years old. Oooooh Yngwie can play violin music on his guitar! Big fucking Deal.


Why doesn't he just go learn to play a freakin violin then.


Also, sure there may have been people doing SOME of the stuff Eddie has been doing before him, but that's like saying that Eddie wasn't innovative because someone fucking learned to pick a guitar before him.

Eddie had his own unique style. His own unique techniques that gave him unique sounds. Had a sense of rhythm and feel that gave him a unique sound, and a whole lot of other shit.

All Yngwie did was play a guitar like a violin.


Also, Yngwie comes from a classical background. Believe it or not, classical music is actually freaking EASY to compose or play once you get the hang of it. Hell it's probably one of the easiest types of music you can compose. Mainly because it's pretty straight forward, and the rhythms themselves are pretty simple because there aren't as many changes in note lengths as other types of music.

However, it really takes someone with a special something, to come up with riffs like the intro to Panama.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by LickMyCream
I played violin since I was 3 years old. Oooooh Yngwie can play violin music on his guitar! Big fucking Deal.

Isn't that innovation? Granted, Blackmore put the original pavement on that freeway, but Malmsteen drove down it in a fuckin' ferrari.

Why doesn't he just go learn to play a freakin violin then.

I believe he can; if I remember correctly, Yngwie's fluent in just about anything that has strings on it...

Also, sure there may have been people doing SOME of the stuff Eddie has been doing before him, but that's like saying that Eddie wasn't innovative because someone fucking learned to pick a guitar before him.

I don't think anybody's saying that, I think the point is that Ed didn't exactly invent a brand new style of playing anymore than Malmsteen did, per se...it's just that they did it better and put more flash on it...

Eddie had his own unique style. His own unique techniques that gave him unique sounds. Had a sense of rhythm and feel that gave him a unique sound, and a whole lot of other shit.

Same's true of Malmsteen. NOBODY shredded before he did LIKE he did, not even Ritchie.

All Yngwie did was play a guitar like a violin.

If you truly believe that, I'd suggest actually LISTENING to some of his albums. I can give you suggestions...

Also, Yngwie comes from a classical background.

True.

Believe it or not, classical music is actually freaking EASY to compose or play once you get the hang of it. Hell it's probably one of the easiest types of music you can compose. Mainly because it's pretty straight forward, and the rhythms themselves are pretty simple because there aren't as many changes in note lengths as other types of music.

I'm glad you're a musical genius. Where can I buy your albums?

However, it really takes someone with a special something, to come up with riffs like the intro to Panama.

Agreed. But it also takes something special to be able to pick up a guitar, learn it by ear, and develop a new style based on some intense classical pieces, combine them with hard rock and make something that hadn't been heard yet for the masses to imitate. Yngwie's an accomplished musician whether you like it or not, and that's my only point. He may not have sold as many albums as Edward did, but his contributions to heavy metal guitar playing have been JUST as important as Edwards.

[LickMyCream]

you're missing the fucking point. Paganini was shredding over a hundred years before Yngwie. All Yngwie did was do it on guitar.


2nd I never said I was a musical genius. I just merely stated a fact that classical music is easy to compose.90% of classical music is almost sort of like a formula.

3rd, Yngwie can't play violin but he wants to learn because it's his favorite instrument. But I am not making any sort of statement with that comment. Just a fact that he says himself all the time. His brother can play violin though.

4th, classical music is easy to play on guitar. Well, on a electric. Hell the guitar was originally a classical instrument. If you wanna see some real classical guitar music, then go listen to a classical guitar player.

5th, Yngwie the first? *Cough Randy Cough*

6th, I am not saying Yngwie is a technically bad player. I am just saying that You can't even compare him to Eddie in terms of innovation. Sure Yngwie may be all flashy and stuff, but try listening to some VH albums again and this time, listen for the details. Yngwie can never come up with that kind of creativity.

7th, Sammy and Yngwie look like they would be nice partners

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Yngwie is fat!

I saw him in new Orleans this year, and his belly is huge !!

He really was drunk ??

yep...it was a shame. not that much people there anyway and some (including me) left early.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by LickMyCream
you're missing the fucking point. Paganini was shredding over a hundred years before Yngwie. All Yngwie did was do it on guitar.

If Paginini did it on guitar, then I'd see your point. But nobody was doing it on guitar.

2nd I never said I was a musical genius. I just merely stated a fact that classical music is easy to compose.90% of classical music is almost sort of like a formula.

My sister's an accomplished classical musician, and she'd disagree.

3rd, Yngwie can't play violin but he wants to learn because it's his favorite instrument. But I am not making any sort of statement with that comment. Just a fact that he says himself all the time. His brother can play violin though.

OK, I wasn't sure.

4th, classical music is easy to play on guitar. Well, on a electric. Hell the guitar was originally a classical instrument. If you wanna see some real classical guitar music, then go listen to a classical guitar player.

Have done, many times.

5th, Yngwie the first? *Cough Randy Cough*

Randy and Yngwie both started up in the industry round abouts the same time, correct? Close enough for government work, as far as I'm concerned...and as far as direct classical playing, I think Yngwie accomplished worlds beyond what Randy did, personally. Not Randy's fault, since he died and all, but whereas Randy hinted at it to my ears, Yngwie detonated it.

6th, I am not saying Yngwie is a technically bad player. I am just saying that you can't even compare him to Eddie in terms of innovation.

Which is, I feel, utterly ludicrous.

Sure Yngwie may be all flashy and stuff, but try listening to some VH albums again and this time, listen for the details. Yngwie can never come up with that kind of creativity.

I disagree with you 300%.

7th, Sammy and Yngwie look like they would be nice partners

I agree. I think they could come up with some amazing shit together.

On the whole, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, I guess. Later.

[dave_is_vh]

I think we have found a new specie for the sheep pen.

All these people who say "Yngwie can't play, Yngwie's no good, all he does is play scales fast" are about as stupid and ignorant as people who say "Sammy Hagar is great, Van Halen better with Sammy Hagar, Dave is over the hill."

Some people have more perception and insight into good music than others unfortunately. Some people, despite the obvious evidence, refuse to admit that Dave is the heart and sould of Van Halen and everything the band has done since his departure is inferior to what they did with Dave. Some people, despite the obvious evidence, only hear speed when they listen to Yngwie and fail to hear the emotion and musical genious.

Anyone who listens to Yngwie play Black Star, Far Beyond The Sun, or Icarus Dream Suite and does not deem Yngwie a musical genious on the spot needs to check their pulse to make sure they are alive.

Just as trying to convince a deaf, closed minded Eddie sheep that Dave is the heart and soul of Van Halen is a pointless exercise, the same can be said in regard to getting the closed minded to appreciate Yngwie's gift.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by LickMyCream
7th, Sammy and Yngwie look like they would be nice partners

I fucked this up - I thought you said that EDDIE and Yngwie would be nice partners. I just re-read this and saw you said Sammy, so I again disagree with you 300%.

[dave_is_vh]

[i] 7th, Sammy and Yngwie look like they would be nice partners [/B]

Possible names for their band include:
Larger Than Life
The Bigger The Better
Big Mac Fan Club

[LickMyCream]

Tell me any good songs that Yngwie has played on other then Far Beyond the Sun, Black Star, and that other song off the album that has that dunuh nuh nuh nah nah nuh nuh opening.


Oh, and the reason why classical music is so easy to compose, is because there's very little rhythmic changes, and the rhythm themselves are quite simple. Go look at a piece of classical sheet music and you'll see what I mean.

[jhale667]

Originally posted by Cathedral
What about Roy Clark?

That dude was a pickin fool, lmmfao.

...There's a reason why Roy was pickin' and Buck was just grinnin'....:D

Having said that, I think Randy Rhoads was amazing, and did some astonishing things in the space of what, two years? Yngwie was brilliant at least for his first couple of releases. George Lynch kicks ass. Greg Howe is also a badass. And you can't forget John Sykes...

[badhorsie]

Classical music is the easiest to compose?

Where the fuck are the modern day incarnations of Mozart/Beethoven/Paganini then?!

Some of the attempts to discredit what Yngwie has accomplished of the years is just absolutely silly.

He has influenced a TON of guitarists and bands over the years (take a look at most of the power metal/neoclassical european bands).

Yngwie inspired a ton of players to learn more about scales/modes and how to become an effecient player instead of playing the standard pentatonic/blues type playing,

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by LickMyCream
Paganini was shredding over a hundred years before Yngwie. All Yngwie did was do it on guitar.

That has to be the understatement of a lifetime!

You sir, have missed the point...

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by badhorsie
Yngwie inspired a ton of players to learn more about scales/modes and how to become an effecient player instead of playing the standard pentatonic/blues type playing,

which I prefer