Which rock guitarists had as much as Eddie Van Halen after the VH explosion?

[scottydabodi]

Anyone who played fast metal guitar in the 80's... I didn't realize we were talking about songwriters, I thought this was an "inflential guitar player" thread...

[Denny]

Originally posted by Matt White
Lets see:
Influenced Hard rock with neo-classical playing? check.
Introduced new technique: Sweep picking? check.
Scalloped fret board on electric guitar? check.
Sold cd's & toured without major radio OR label support for 20 years? check

Yup, Yngwie not doing so bad for himself.

Richie Blackmore did the Scalloped Neck gig before Yngwie, I think.

In fact, Richie Blackmore and EVH are CREDITED for Inventing Neo-Classical rock....

[Denny]

But..........The Beatles were using Harpsichords on their records in 1965, It is best heard on "In My Life"

[scottydabodi]

The Beatles were influenced by classical, as was Blackmore, but we also gotta remember YES.

[Brett]

Originally posted by scottydabodi
Anyone who played fast metal guitar in the 80's... I didn't realize we were talking about songwriters, I thought this was an "inflential guitar player" thread...

I figured we were talking the whole package.

You think most 80's shredders were influenced by Yngwie? Bullshit. He wasn't even relevant to the guitar-playing world until what 1984, or 1985. You think anybody thought much of his work in Steeler, or Alcatrazz?

Look the guy could play, but Eddie was the driving force behind all 80's shredding. It all came from what Ed did. Shredding had already hit the scene beyond Ed before Yngwie was even relevant, that's what I'm saying.

[Brett]

Originally posted by Denny
In fact, Richie Blackmore and EVH are CREDITED for Inventing Neo-Classical rock....

Fuck Den, I might actually agree with you there.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by Denny
But..........The Beatles were using Harpsichords on their records in 1965, It is best heard on "In My Life"

Good point, but that's no harpsichord. It's a piano recorded at double-speed. They did use harpsichord on other recordings, though...including FIXING A HOLE. Mind you, lots of the British bands started using harpsichord in the mid-60s, including THE KINKS, THE ROLLING STONES and THE WHO.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Brett
I figured we were talking the whole package.

You think most 80's shredders were influenced by Yngwie? Bullshit. He wasn't even relevant to the guitar-playing world until what 1984, or 1985. You think anybody thought much of his work in Steeler, or Alcatrazz?

Look the guy could play, but Eddie was the driving force behind all 80's shredding. It all came from what Ed did. Shredding had already hit the scene beyond Ed before Yngwie was even relevant, that's what I'm saying.

EVH learnt 90% of his Shred stuff from Allan Holdworth and Al DiMieola, BTW.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Rikk
Good point, but that's no harpsichord. It's a piano recorded at double-speed. They did use harpsichord on other recordings, though...including FIXING A HOLE. Mind you, lots of the British bands started using harpsichord in the mid-60s, including THE KINKS, THE ROLLING STONES and THE WHO.

Actually......It was Frank Zappa who INVENTED the whole Rock/Orchestral/Classical thing on 200 Motels in 1971 on the Track "Strictly Genteel"

[Brett]

Yep it's a piano on "In My Life" played by George Martin. They actually played the song back at a slow speed, and he recorded it over the slow speed. When they sped it back up to normal speed, it sounds like a harpsichord.

The did use a harpsichord on "Strawberry Fields" too.

[Brett]

Originally posted by Denny
EVH learnt 90% of his Shred stuff from Allan Holdworth and Al DiMieola, BTW.

Yep, also took bits and pieces from Blackmore. There's a lot of Blackmore in Ed's early playing.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Brett
Yep, also took bits and pieces from Blackmore. There's a lot of Blackmore in Ed's early playing.

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Pete Townshend was Another HUGE influence on Eddie Van Halen

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Brett
I figured we were talking the whole package.

You think most 80's shredders were influenced by Yngwie? Bullshit. He wasn't even relevant to the guitar-playing world until what 1984, or 1985. You think anybody thought much of his work in Steeler, or Alcatrazz?

Name an "80's Shredder" that wasn't influenced by Yngwie... Every Paul Gilbert, Marty Friedman, and Tony MacAlpine to come down the pike tried out Malmsteen licks. Did he infuence AS MUCH, per se, as Ed? No. But did he have tremendous influence? Yes.

[Brett]

Dude you're talking about players that came out the same time Yngwie did. They couldn't have been influenced by a guy they never heard.

I just don't hear Yngwie in that much of Paul Gilbert's playing...hell even Marty Friedman. Marty sounds much more like Satch disciple.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Brett
Dude you're talking about players that came out the same time Yngwie did. They couldn't have been influenced by a guy they never heard.

I just don't hear Yngwie in that much of Paul Gilbert's playing...hell even Marty Friedman. Marty sounds much more like Satch disciple.

Satriani is a fucking hack, I don't give a fuck what anybody says.....

He taught Steve Vai? A little Bit yes but 99% of Vai knows as a MUSICIAN Vai learned from Frank Zappa.

Frank Zappa is GOD.