Vhagar #6 on Pollstar top 2004 tours

[Thetruthbaby]

If you go to Yahoo and type Pollstar top 2004 tours you should be able to pull up several links and see the Pollstar Online- Pollstar Display Page, it's about 7 matches down on Yahoo NOW. They list the Vhagar tour as the #6 tour of the year grossing $54.3 Million. Prince was #1 with over $87 million. Vhagar drew 8,994 PER SHOW while doing 79 CITIES. NOW PAY CLOSE ATTENTION hagar fans, in order to get the PER NIGHT AVERAGE YOU MUST, REPEAT MUST DIVDE the number of TOTAL Tickets sold by the number of SHOWS PLAYED. Vhagar sold 710,504 TOTAL TICKETS and played 79 SHOWS TOTAL for a per night of 8,994. Although the list will say 9.868 avg sales that is because THEY ARE NOT DIVIDING THE NUMBER OF TIX SOLD BY THE NUMBER OF SHOWS. Rather they are dividing the total tix sold by the number of cities which is not the way to get an accurate count per night. I don't know why Pollstar does it this way but they do. The TRUE per night average is 8,994. I'm sure they were thinking before the tour that they would at least average 10,000 per night. Kiss and The Eagles and FMac all did well over 10,000 per night on their first reunion tours. I can't wait until the first hagar fan tries to say they drew 9,868 per night. Just watch, it will happen.

[Brett]

Truth, didn't you say a week ago VH didn't make this list?

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Brett
Truth, didn't you say a week ago VH didn't make this list?

Here comes the spin..........

[Thetruthbaby]

BRETT...........

According to Blabbermouth it didn't, and they listed Billboard as the source, the link at Blabbermouth is still up and I mentioned it all with my original post. I don't know what is going on with that info at Blabbermouth. They listed D Bowie as grossing around 46 million if memory serves me correct and Bowie is not on the pollstar list. Brett you can twist it any way you want but Vhagar didn't do well on this tour. According to Melodicrock they were getting $750,000 each night just to show up and the they only averaged $687,000 per night if you do the math. 8,994 is not that big a number. Especially for a full scale arena tour. And the blabbermouth info is STILL there. I only listed what they said, I didn't say it was my personal information. The Vhagar tour failed. Everyone in the industry knows it and was talking about it. If someone had told me before this tour had started they wouldn't hit 10,000 per night I wouldn't have believed it. And I certainly wouldn't have believed that would do many shows in front of only 5 or 6 thousand people with the bigger city shows making up the difference. BUT IT HAPPENED. That is why EVHalen and hagar were arguing on tour. As I stated earlier success is a great deodorant. Problem is they weren't very successful. Therefore they were unable to cover up the in fighting.

[Brett]

Truth, I'm just giving ya a hard time man, don't worry so much. Means little to me either way. Nothing for me to spin, I'd have to give a shit first.

[Thetruthbaby]

Brett.....

you have to admit though that this tour did not come near the expectations they had. I'll admit I took some joy in watching this thing do down this way, but I'm big enough person to admit I thought they would easily do over 10,000 per night. And with nearly 80 shows I would have thought they would gross around 75 million with the huge ticket prices. This reunion in comparison with Kiss, The Eagles, F Mac and The Who was not even on most people's radar. I think you realize as I do that is the reason for the fighting within the band.

[Bob_R]

8,994 avg. per show. That says it all folks.

[Brett]

Hmmm, I don't know dude. They did real well in the bigger cities, did poorly in the smaller venues. I don't think the Who would be selling out the fucking Fargodome either dude. Shit I didn't even know they had a real arena in North Dakota. If a band plays in North Dakota, and nobody sees it, does it really happen?

In the end, just makes little difference to me. I saw Ed play one more time, and if VH does nothing else, then so be it. I'm too fucking old to care seriously anymore about the next Van Halen album or tour. If it happens, it happens. I won't lose sleep either way. Too many other things to care about, no time for a bunch of prima donnas (including Dave) who need a fucking mediation to decide whether to play stupid ass music together or not.

[Thetruthbaby]

Brett let me put it this way

When Kiss toured in 96' it was basically sold out everywhere and they did tons of secondary market shows. Same with FMac and The Eagles on their 1st reunion tours. And The Who in 89/90 were also packing in the crowds everywhere. Of course The Who now wouldn't because they've played everywhere repeatedly over the last several years. But this was billed as a reunion tour by VAN HALEN, a band that hadn't toured in about 6 years and in about a decade since hagar left and it still generated very little excitement. Many of the biggest cities they played didn't even sell out. All of this after hagar's grandstanding about how tickets would sell out in minutes. All in all it was pretty humbling for them I'm sure.

[Brett]

I was at Staples Center, it was 99% full that first night, and if it wasn't sold out, I don't know what seats were open. So if nothing else, I know one show that was pretty packed. Oh and the New Jersey show I went where I sat up top was 95% full too. Fanatic was there, he knows it was pretty damn full. So whatever, the shows I went to looked good.

Now Kiss sucks, I laugh at anyone who spent $.03 on that. I can't understand how anyone likes that band, or thinks that shit is cool, so beats the hell out of me how they did that well. But Kiss had a real nostalgia thing going for them that VH doesn't have, and will never have I guess. I bet if New Kids On The Block reunited, they'd make a shitload too.

After the disaster the VH 3 tour was finanically, I don't think the band cares about being humbled anymore, that tour truly humbled them. That was an eye opener to them, I think they're pretty realistic now.

Sam can talk all he wants, that's really what he and Dave are best at. So whatever on any of that.

[Thetruthbaby]

The difference

The difference between Kiss, FMac, The Who & The Eagles is that the original lineups were all there except The Who with Moon. The fans knew they were getting the real deal and would hear the band's greatest material. With Vhagar a lot of people are very aware that the vast majority of material will be 5150 forward and they just don't have much interest in hearing that, much less paying a fortune to hear it. When the radio ads come on for a Vhagar show and they play Unchained, RWTDevil, J Cryin, ATCWRock etc the fans know they WILL NOT hear these songs for the most part. Instead you get a steady pounding of WCTBLove & Dreams & WILove. That is a big difference in attracting people. The original lineup's music has endured. The hagar version simply has not held up well. It sounds dated. This tour's failure has as much to do with hagar as anything else. Don't kid yourself. I have a hard time believing that a Roth led tour wouldn't have drawn at least 10,000 per night.

[Brett]

I think you overestimate the amount of people who give a shit about Van Halen now period, Dave or Sam. Dave's playing casinos, VH is playing to smaller crowds. Not exactly a recipe for this mega-tour you're talking about.

[rustoffa]

Seems reasonable enough...

Total # of tix sold

Divided by

Total # of shows played

Equals:

Average number of toe-jam brained cuntsumers per show.

No need for rocket science here.

[Panamark]

Based on the venues they booked, you would have to assume they
were anticipating 15k shows. So these 8k average is not great.

But as Brenty says, who gives a fuck, its only Van Hagar.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Originally posted by Brett

I bet if New Kids On The Block reunited, they'd make a shitload too.
And with good reason..........I'll admit this, New Kids is the one band that actually rocks harder than Sammy and the boys! Oh Oh...Oh Oh OH.....Oh Oh OH Oh.....Oh Oh Oh Oh Oh......the Brett stuff........