Would it be Different for Dave if he aged like....

[light 'em up!]

Originally posted by lms2
Dave's career took a downward swing after the split, but Van Halen kept the brand name and theirs went downhill as well.

As a solo artist, David Lee Roth never enjoyed the success that he once had in Van Halen, and unfortunately never acheived the same success that Van Halen did with the poodle. These are hard sad truths to face, but that's the way the mop flops in rock and roll.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
I dont agree with you Carmie. What teenagers are listening to Classic Rock stations?...

I've taught school and I can tell you many are.

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
I dont agree with you Carmie. What teenagers are listening to Classic Rock stations? Niether Van Halen nor Van Hagar are played on the hip stations here. I think the parents of the youth litening to Van Halen of anykind should get the credit! They are offering good music to their kids and the kids are accepting it. Not to mention that wearing T's with Classic Rock band on them happens to be "IN" right now.

As for Dave, Looks DO play a roll in popularity. He has the package but IMO he just doesn't know how to wrap it. I'd love to give him a makeover.

There ALL into it! Personally, I have a 10 year old cousin(also, my Godson) who came to my house a few months ago in an AC/DC Back in Black T-shirt. I asked him where he heard of them and if he liked that kind of music? He said the movie "School of Rock" and that he loved Zeppelin, The Doors, Hendrix etc. He was also learning to play the guitar. I then asked him if he had ever heard of VH? He said NO. I put on Van Halen 1 for him and watched his face when Eruption came on! It was like seeing myself in 1979! The whole album BLEW HIM AWAY! So, now, Classic VH is his favorite band and I have been telling him,along with my own Son, the story of the greatest rock band ever! My aunt bought him BOBW on release date and he called me that night to tell me" I dont really like the songs with that other guy singing" It's different. He's learning!!!!

So, not just my own story, but, I see kids wearing the Retro shirts(We're Retro now!) and hear Classic VH on the radio every day. The hip stations that are playing top 40 have their Outkast, Black Eyed Peas and such of course, but the rock stations still play it, and the kids are digging it!

And I get the joy of buying my cousin and my son....The 6 pack! Because to them, It's NEW!!

[DavidLeeNatra]

yeah...teach the kids the right way...can't believe that van halen was hardly mentioned in "school of rock"...

[Carmine]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
yeah...teach the kids the right way...can't believe that van halen was hardly mentioned in "school of rock"...

I know it! But, that flick did open alot of doors for these young kids. My own kid is a Roth-Head all the way!(not that I had any influence on that!)

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Carmine Raguzza.
I know it! But, that flick did open alot of doors for these young kids. My own kid is a Roth-Head all the way!(not that I had any influence on that!)

no way...my daughter has to be pushed a little bit into the right direction...

[Carmine]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
no way...my daughter has to be pushed a little bit into the right direction...

LOL...its been a little harder with my daughter. She knows all the words to Jamies Cryin, You really got me, Unchained and Hot for Teacher, But Hilary Duff and Lindsey Lohan get more play in her sterio! LOL!!!!

[Fabulous Shadow]

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Originally posted by lms2
This is debateable. Content is what made Van Halen a "brand name". Sure Dave's career took a downward swing after the split, but Van Halen kept the brand name and theirs went downhill as well.

If it were merely whats in a name, and not in content, then why, 20 years later, do you have a song called 1985 asking "whose the other guy thats singing in Van Halen?" Why do you have an Army of people that are dedicated to the six pack? Why does the six pack get more playing time than any of the Van Hagar material?

Van Halen did not go downhill after Dave. They just became a "DIFFERENT" band by the same name. There were still very successful as Van Hagar. I agree that the 6 pack is the best but there are loads of other fans who will say they like the other 6 better. They just happen to post someplace else...

[DavidLeeNatra]

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Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
Van Halen did not go downhill after Dave. They just became a "DIFFERENT" band by the same name. There were still very successful as Van Hagar. I agree that the 6 pack is the best but there are loads of other fans who will say they like the other 6 better. They just happen to post someplace else...

agree...the albums were (for me) lousy and each album sold less than the one before...but going "downhill" was the cherone era...even the balance album was a triple platinum...

[hard rock]

i agree 100% with the brand name theory. Van halen sold more albums with hagar then dave solo because of the name. when you look at concert numbers lets say around 94 or 95 roth was on tour for yflm and halen for balance and halen drew bigger crowds.

when i saw halen with cherone they drew more people than when i saw roth on his own and sammy on his own. a lot of people who were sitting next to me at the van cherone concert where like hey what is this i thought we came to see van halen and im like thats halen and their new singer gary from the group extreme. they were all like oh i got ripped off you shouldnt advertise the concert as van halen if its not van halen.

i asked well who do you think van halen is. there like the guy with the long blonde hair whos always jumping around the place and smiling a lot making jokes.

The name is what attracts people. like dave said its as familiar as the mc donalds golden arches and the nike swoosh.

[hard rock]

also in response to someone here who said that roth wouldnt team up with sell outs like poison. heres a reality check for ya buddy. Roth toured with poison before as well as cinderella and even extreme.

yes i did see a lot of 14-15 year olds at the poison and cinderella concerts and if dave headlined these shows then he would introduce his tunes to this target audience.

Dave could always select who he would tour with. he could tour with more respected artists like ted nugent and aerosmith to name a few. hell a dlr and kiss double bill would be kind of cool. did you notice all the media attention dave got when he toured with sammy. thats what i mean about the main stream. if he had diamond dave out then and plugged it in concert or on the tv appearances it would have sold more.

i know guys who just picked up a copy now when it came out in july of 2003 only because i told them about it.

[DavidLeeNatra]

van halen is like a restaurant with a good name in a good place. people come and enjoy the dinner...the cook changes and somehow the dinner is not that good anymore but people still come for the place...

the original cook opens his own restaurant with the best food around but maybe the place is not so good and it's hard to pull the crowd from one place to the other that is just used to eat in the original place.

me prefers the little gourmet restaurant and not the fast-food-shit-restaurant =VH= turned into...

[tomballin]

This says it all


From The Video Lil' Ain't Enough

[John Holmes]

Originally posted by The Godfather
.....jagger, plant, tyler, joe elliot, jon bon jovi. I'm not saying I am a fan of some of those names. But they all kept their hair and their voices are still the same. I love Dave, but his look and voice are okay, but not like it once was. Do you think Dave would have a better career status respectively if he had the same factors like those other singers!!. (hey we are die hards but the average person always goofs on dave about his hair and his voice being shot)

I think that drug abuse is THE factor in Dave looking very old and tired these days.

Undoubtly Dave aged very bad and... He aged pretty fast. He was like still young in the first half of the 90's, and then he looked old. It seems he aged like 20 years within a 10 years space.

He went from this:



to this :



It doesn't even seem him, for Chrissake.

I don't want to bash Dave, but he should have took a rest from booze, drugs or whatever...

He's such an intelligent, clever man, but still ...

He looks a lot better these days, however. In the Rama pictures he looks fit and in good shape.

As far as his live performances go, I heard a few bootlegs from the early 80's with Van Halen. I think Dave is a WHOLE better nowadays. I am sure he can pull excellent performances in the studio. His voice is not the reason a Van Halen reunion isn't happening, so let's drop it, guys.

[Golden AWe]

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Originally posted by Fabulous Shadow
Van Halen did not go downhill after Dave. They just became a "DIFFERENT" band by the same name. There were still very successful as Van Hagar. I agree that the 6 pack is the best but there are loads of other fans who will say they like the other 6 better. They just happen to post someplace else...

ufff...shut up and flash'em