I just heard from a reliable source that Sam is OUT

[VH LINKS SUCKS]

Originally posted by tomballin
Of course Hagar is out, he was never back in with the Sisters. This was the whole plan from the beginning. Look, Eddie’s exact words before the Tour, (I will try to find the article, when I have time or I can’t remember he may have said it on those interviews with those DJ’s in Iowa or where ever) was they were going to do this Tour, and then they were going to go separate ways and work on “other projects” they wanted to do.

Hagar said it early on also, before management and Clear Channel made Hagar/EVH change their tune in public to support the Tour/album hype. EVH said specifically that he was going to take off 3-5 years after the Tour.

This was no surprise to me. This is what EVH always does. 1996, 2000, 2004, next 2008. So really all this is old news, imo.

Well, 'It's About Time' Sambo got the boot and for Edward Van Halen it's not the most important factor in his life anymore. That is, Van Halen the band that mattered years ago is not a main priority for Eddie.

The most important thing in Eddie's life is now THE BOTTLE!

[tomballin]

Yelp your right on the bottle AND Drugs.

I posted this long ass post some where else but imo item 7f is all that matters.

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Sorry for the very long post.

Originally posted by Big Train
I would argue the opposite. I would say Dave is now in the driver's seat for a reunion. They need him to help restore the brand name of VH and Clear Channel needs him to help fill those sheds. I would bet that the seeds have already been planted (Ala my July 4th Boston theory) for a reunion and I am sure the pressure is on VH heavily now to do something, as VH the corporation is bleeding at the moment.[/B]

>>>I am sure that VH had to lower their guarantee as the tour wore on

Nope they didn’t, nor re-negotiate their Tour contract, per good authority. Business is business and you take no prisoners in the music biz, rest assured. Also, the Sisters’ screw everyone around them, not just Roth, just like EVH screwed Peavey. Hell the loser, never has even had the balls to legally divorce Valerie, so he can continue to use her for an emotional tampon, and play the “doing it for Wolfie” card.

>>> I would say Dave is now in the driver's seat for a reunion

Yes Dave is in the drivers seat , but you are forgetting:

1…The Sisters ass fucked the public on a Van Roth reunion 1996, 2000, and 2004, and now EVH is a drunken/drug addict washed up bum. The general public has had it with the Sister's shite, particularly since Alex and Eddie keep bashing Diamond in the press for no valid reasons but their fucked up egos and drunken/drugged stupor.

2…Clear Channel has a policy of not going "back to the well" twice on a money losing Tour. They lost money on Ozzy's 2001 Merry Mayhem Tour, and blacklisted him over the deal. Guarantee they blacklisted the Sister’s over the Van SpamBoy Tour.

Second, CC burnt a lot of bridges on the Van SpamBoy Tour, and people in the music/venue/promotion biz have VERY long memory's. CC/The Sisters burnt the fan’s too, and they also have long memory’s…..also since 1996, and 1984.

3…I saw the Van SpamBoy's, and I saw DLR New Years in Orlando. Straight up, no R.A. bullshit, Dave has a better show, and his Band can blow Van Halen out into the back parking. I had heard a lot about how good Ray Luzier and Brian Young are, but never seen them play live. Man, both those two cats are awesome musicians, that can kick AVH/EVH's ass presently. I was really impressed, and would clearly pay money to see DLR and his band play in a larger venue, instead of that dinky stage they had New Years.

Also, I went to a 04 Van SpamBoy’s gig to see EVH for the last time, after reading the reviews. (I got very lucky, EVH had one of his better shows of the entire Tour, just 20 feet from me to a packed 20,000 capacity arena.). I fully expected for Hagar to be making a total fat slob ass of himself on-stage, as this is what he does best. However, if Diamond Dave had been fronting the Tour, and being a slob fuck-up like Hagar, I would not have gone to see the disaster.

4…Dave has never been in the biz for the money. It's not what drives the guy, and he is not hurting for money currently, particularly with his father's inheritance, and Dave’s very frugal ways. Dave doesn't need the Sisters, unless he wants to be a money whore like Hagar, and I don't see him making an ass of himself on stage with the Sisters, and in the press, like Hagar did. Also, no-way Dave would tour with the Sisters, and put up with their shite for 4 - 6 months, even for the millions Dave would make off the Tour.

5...Like I posted before, the Sisters got rich off the 04 SpamBoys Tour. They don’t give a shite about touring again. The 04 Tour was nothing but a planned money grab tour, because of the ownership change at Warner Music Group, and they own VH’s “back catalog” of music.

Former Seagram chief executive Edgar Bronfman Jr. that bought WMG (heading a private investor group) is a total worthless rich kid asshole. He ran Seagram’s in the ground after taking control from his father, and he will do the same at WMG.

Go back and look at the number of bands/artists that toured in 04, and see how many WMG owns their “back catalog”. It’s a lot! (I have the list somewhere, I will look for it and post it).....including top grossing acts, like Prince, Madonna, along with Eric Clapton, Metallica, Kid Rock, Van Halen, and a bunch more.

Also look at the dates of the WMG buyout. Announced November 03/Finalized March 04, and then look at the dates of Hagar’s “just chance” phone call/meeting with Alex, (EVH was too fucked up to meet) and the 04 Van SpamBoys Tour announcement. They are both within weeks of each other, haaaaa. So much for Hagar’s/Sister’s bullshit of we just did the SpamBoys Tour for “VH II breakup closure”, and for the fans, hun

6…Finally, no good manager would tell Dave to pursue a Van Roth ReUnion this year. The paying public had the 02 Hagar-DLR Tour, and the 04 Van SpamBoys Tour. Secondly, the promotion business finally broke (took it in the ass) in 04 due to the runaway artists guarantees and excess number of concerts promoted. (4th straight year of declining concert industry ticket sales)

2005 is very different, and there is no way that Dave and Van Halen could get a good promote deal, it they could get one in the first place, which is doubtful on a National basis, I understand. Van Halen management/attorney’s got lucky/smart and hit the market right at the top, on performance guarantees, and set a record for a hard rock band.

7…If I was Dave’s manager, I would say to him:

a…Sit back and let’s percolate the market, on a Van Roth ReUnion Tour, for 12-15 months, and see what happens.

b…Keep taking the positive high road in the press towards the Van Halen’s;

c…Keep saving people’s life as an EMT in a NYC “meat wagon”, with several third-party news articles on these events; (Good for the public “good guy image”)

d…Get out and do a mini tour, to let people know you haven’t died, and can still put on a great Van Roth style show, (with NO bad show reviews, like in the past DLR solo Tours). Also a couple of really hot new tunes damn sure wouldn’t hurt;

e…As manager, I would have the press get out several choice “third-party” articles during 05, that Roth is a victim, just like the fans, of no Van Roth ReUnion, now 3 times ‘96’/00’/04. However, Roth would only do a ReUnion with the Sisters, if he was sure a quality/value for the fans ReUnion Tour could be done with him fronting the band. (Unlike the 04 Van SpamBoys abortion, and EVH drunken/drugged bum state the whole tour)

f. As manager, I would contact the Van Halen people and see if there is some way to get EVH into alcohol/drug rehabilitation before he kills himself, and/or his cancer comes back (if it is not already back for the THIRD time) and kills him.

As to a Van Roth ReUnion tour, forget the above steps “a – e”, it step “f” cannot be accomplished. (I think because of EVH’s condition, artist/Tour promotion insurance for a Tour promoter, would be extremely hard to obtain, and no promoter will back a Tour without it.)

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COMMENTS:……. I really feel like, Dave is already doing something along these “ if I was Dave’s manager” lines. The guy is such a genius and thinks so far ahead of “normal mortals”, LOL.

The Boston 04 Pops gig was great for him and developing new biz contacts and interest. (I understand that Steve Tyler purposely backed out of that gig and recommended Dave, based on some kind of “inside deal”, and Tyler really likes Diamond).

Dave’s EMT deal is cool/different/unusual and will work with the public image and interest situation.

Dave’s live shows are much better than usual. Diamond seems to be more serious about the shows, and not jerking off as much on stage the last six months.

Seems like his voice is also much better. (Dave really let it get out of condition). He must be working on it and building back up his vocal cords, imo. It takes a long time normally to get your vocal cords built backup, and Diamond surely is not doing it to sing to people he is rescuing as a “meat wagon” EMT.

Also, Dave looks great for his age and high hard rocker mileage. All you people that give him shite on his looks: - Check out current pics of all the other hard rockers from the 70’s and early 80’s. Diamond looks better than 99% of them, if they are still even alive. Hey, any 50 year old single hard rockers from the 70’s here at R.A., please post your current un-retouched pics, and let’s compare them to DLR’s, haaaaaa!.

Dave has made no bones, that he would like a VH-Roth ReUnion Tour, if it was right for the fans, and they can put on a good show, without a lot of backstage problems with the Sisters.

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These are just my thought, what does everyone else think?

[tydhurst]

EVH really IS a prick!

[academic punk]

I read somewhere that - thanks to the response to his appearance on the sopranos - Dave is going to put more time and energy towards acting.

Makes sense: he can make a lot of money for one day of work, and besides, he himself has said his passion for music isn't what it used to be.

[DavidLeeNatra]

great post tomballin...read it all the way through

I guess we all should relax a bit and stop holding our breath. what I see is that our man is out there doing fine...looking happy, sounding great...and as long as he is there, I'll be happy, too...

I don't wait for a reunion, I don't wait for a new album...I can think of dave going in so many directions...actor? fine... painting? fine, too... making a blues album, going vegas, another book...?

I just take it as it comes as long as dave is delivering something for us...everything else?

hey, you never know...

[DaveTheSoulOfVH]

my wish for 2005...

[Wayne L.]

Who cares if Sammy is out of VH since that doesn't mean Dave is in either. I think Van Halen is history after the reunion tour with Hagar & I'm not expecting another album of original material anytime soon.

[damianleeroth]

Awesome post tomballin!

[Satan]

Originally posted by Iannu
What u mean out? Dead???

Nope. The minute his Cheddarness arrives in Hell, you'll hear about it straight from the source.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by tomballin
Of course Hagar is out, he was never back in with the Sisters. This was the whole plan from the beginning. Look, Eddie’s exact words before the Tour, (I will try to find the article, when I have time or I can’t remember he may have said it on those interviews with those DJ’s in Iowa or where ever) was they were going to do this Tour, and then they were going to go separate ways and work on “other projects” they wanted to do.

Hagar said it early on also, before management and Clear Channel made Hagar/EVH change their tune in public to support the Tour/album hype. EVH said specifically that he was going to take off 3-5 years after the Tour.

This was no surprise to me. This is what EVH always does. 1996, 2000, 2004, next 2008. So really all this is old news, imo.

Didn't we tell everybody this back at the very start of the tour?

I thought we did?

Oh yeah, we did.

I remember giving reminders of the same facts throughout the poorly attended tour as well.

I thought I did, anyway.

Oh yeah, I did.

[Rikk]

Of course we did. But no matter how many facts you throw at a HAGAR fan, they'll try and make sense out of it.

ROTH FAN: "VAN HALEN sold more that twice as many records as VAN HAGAR."

HAGAR FAN: "Yeah, but that's because they had more records."

ROTH FAN: "They had six records, VAN HAGAR had five if you count the live album. That's a difference of one record. That doesn't account for more than twice the sales."

HAGAR FAN: "VAN HALEN fans had to buy the whole catalogue on CD again and then the remasters."

ROTH FAN: "That doesn't account for more than twice the sales. How many fans bought the albums for the first time on CD? Millions of VAN HALEN album owners are younger than 25."

HAGAR FAN: "And the remasters..."

ROTH FAN: "...don't account for anywhere near the two-digit-millions more albums sold."

HAGAR FAN: "The tour was huge."

ROTH FAN: "That's why even Rolling Stone lists it as one of the biggest failures of the year, with promoters losing money."

HAGAR FAN: "Then why did most shows sell out?"

ROTH FAN: "That's what Hagar claimed before it even began. If you look at the numbers, almost no shows sold out and the majority were playing at literally half-filled houses with reduced prices and free food and merch vouchers!"

HAGAR FAN: "That's not true!"

ROTH FAN: "So Pollstar is lying?"

HAGAR FAN: "Pollstar isn't the last word in concert statistics..."

ROTH FAN: "............uh..............okay."

HAGAR FAN: "Dave is gay!"

ROTH FAN: "Dave isn't gay, but at least he'll be remembered in 50 years."

And on and on and on.

No matter how many more failures are ever associated with VAN HAGAR...if they end up playing clubs for $5 a ticket, Ched Heads will find every way possible to claim the band intended the failure and that they are still very popular. If the world has a referendum and 80% of the world's population declare Roth the VAN HALEN frontman, Hagar fans will claim they are all brainwashed or they'd change their mind if they heard a "great" song like RUNAROUND.

[DLR7884]

LOL.

DLR7884
Like talking to a wall isn't it?

[Rikk]

Originally posted by DLR7884
LOL.

DLR7884
Like talking to a wall isn't it?

Indeed. I get the same frustration when someone (and this almost never happens) tries to tell me that Ronnie James Dio was the singer for BLACK SABBATH!!

[Carmine]

Originally posted by Rikk
they'd change their mind if they heard a "great" song like RUNAROUND.

lest we forget the KILLER video for that tune with the circling floor!
:p

[Carmine]

I have posted this before. But, I actually met some pure hagar fans in Albany this year. By pure, I mean, that these kids were at the show because they like Sammy, on his own, with no VH connection! After I recovered from the prior revelation, these kids asked about my " It aint VH....t shirt. With the following: yeah, for VH Dave is the shit, we like sammy more solo than with VH. After, getting off the floor, I processed this statement...ok, Dave is better than sammy when it comes to VH? This is easy...His own pure fans like Dave era VH, better than his brand? Cool, I ordered them all Jack and Cokes...told em where to buy the shirt, and realised that there are really no true fans of Sammy style VH,they like Dave era more....they really like Sammy better solo. Who-da-thunk-it?