Can you think of a band that has treated its fans worse than Van Halen ?

[GAR]

Originally posted by tomballin
Jack Russell and those Great White dicks need to be all shot for killing 100 people and injuring another 188, because of their pyros used inside that old wood structure club.

It was a pinwheel sparkler, lit off the fucking bass drum, you cunt.

The reason the place went up so fast was the assholes who owned the place didn't used flame-retardant sound proofing such as actual fiberglas rolls or sheet product - they used polyurethane foam boards which are highly flammable.

You can see in the video how it happened.. don't blame the band because the pinwheel was like 2 feet away from the drummer's fucking face, alright.

If Great White or Jack Russel should be shot, its for making bad music or the propogation of onstage obesity so let's not confuse issues here on the board.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by GAR
It was a pinwheel sparkler, lit off the fucking bass drum, you cunt.

The reason the place went up so fast was the assholes who owned the place didn't used flame-retardant sound proofing such as actual fiberglas rolls or sheet product - they used polyurethane foam boards which are highly flammable.

You can see in the video how it happened.. don't blame the band because the pinwheel was like 2 feet away from the drummer's fucking face, alright.

If Great White or Jack Russel should be shot, its for making bad music or the propogation of onstage obesity so let's not confuse issues here on the board.

someone intellegent! Great reply man. 5 stars.

[tomballin]

Originally posted by GAR
It was a pinwheel sparkler, lit off the fucking bass drum, you cunt.

The reason the place went up so fast was the assholes who owned the place didn't used flame-retardant sound proofing such as actual fiberglas rolls or sheet product - they used polyurethane foam boards which are highly flammable.

You can see in the video how it happened.. don't blame the band because the pinwheel was like 2 feet away from the drummer's fucking face, alright.

If Great White or Jack Russel should be shot, its for making bad music or the propogation of onstage obesity so let's not confuse issues here on the board.

Originally posted by Big Troubles
someone intellegent! Great reply man. 5 stars.

>>It was a pinwheel sparkler, lit off the fucking bass drum, you cunt.

I had a friend killed in that fucking fire, and investigated it heavily. Don’t tell me what I do and don’t understand about that deal GAR, and you too Big Trouble! And GAR your “facts” are total bullshit! It WAS NOT a pinwheel sparkler, dumb ass! Secondly, the 3 tube “outdoor use only” pyro immediately set off the foam on both sides of the drummer’s alcove, built on that building, NOT the drums.

According to the investigative data over 10,000 clubs U.S. wide, had/have that cheap highly flammable foam installed. Zakk Wylde and hundreds of great acts played The Station and never burnt that club down, until those fucksticks in Great White hit there.

Two nights before in Maine, GW about burnt that club down with their set opening pyro stunt, but that club got lucky and had flame resistance tiles on the ceiling. GW’s pryo caused problems in 5 clubs on that Tour, yet those hacks kept using it, without ANY Federal or State licenses or required permits/approvals.

Last to use your word, cunt, if the band wasn’t guilt, why was their Tour manager multi-count indicted by a Rhode Island Grand Jury in that holocaust, GAR!

Gee, it was only the single largest club fire, as to death and injury, ever caused by an entertainment group in U.S. history.

Nuff said to your fucking ignorance on this subject.

[RogueHorseman]

Hey guys, GW should shoulder as much of the blame as anybody in my book........... but then again, the club owners saw the pyro being brought in and set up, too........

It was sheer stupidity all around.

A tragedy which should have never happened, and all in the name of "rock & roll"........

For what it is worth, from what I've heard the remaining GW members have dedicated their entire existance to nothing but helping the victims families.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by RogueHorseman
Hey guys, GW should shoulder as much of the blame as anybody in my book........... but then again, the club owners saw the pyro being brought in and set up, too........

It was sheer stupidity all around.

A tragedy which should have never happened, and all in the name of "rock & roll"........

For what it is worth, from what I've heard the remaining GW members have dedicated their entire existance to nothing but helping the victims families.

Kind of like OJ has dedicated his existence to finding his wife's killer, right?

GW PRESSURED the club into letting them use their stage effects. They threatened to walk out and not play when the club told them that the buildings fire codes did not comply or allow use of ANY fire effects.

And other clubs that GW had played (as well as other bands) have come forward and said that GW had on occassion gone ahead and done whatever they wanted anyway.

[rustoffa]

This guy treated his fans like shit....literally.

[glensfallspaul]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I think Sting's a butthole.

Then why do women think he's so sensitive?

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by academic punk
Kind of like OJ has dedicated his existence to finding his wife's killer, right?

GW PRESSURED the club into letting them use their stage effects. They threatened to walk out and not play when the club told them that the buildings fire codes did not comply or allow use of ANY fire effects.

And other clubs that GW had played (as well as other bands) have come forward and said that GW had on occassion gone ahead and done whatever they wanted anyway.

If that is true, then I understand where you are coming from, AP.

I have also heard that the clubs management refused to open up the entrance door and thus many more died needlessly than would have...

As I said, a needless tragedy, all around.

And, I did clearly state that GW shoulders as much or more of the blame as anyone. I'm NOT defending their actions, not in any way.

However, to say they have no remorse or are faking it ala OJ is not a fair statement either given what all they have tried to do to help after the fact.

[academic punk]

Originally posted by RogueHorseman
If that is true, then I understand where you are coming from, AP.

I have also heard that the clubs management refused to open up the entrance door and thus many more died needlessly than would have...

As I said, a needless tragedy, all around.

And, I did clearly state that GW shoulders as much or more of the blame as anyone. I'm NOT defending their actions, not in any way.

However, to say they have no remorse or are faking it ala OJ is not a fair statement either given what all they have tried to do to help after the fact.

I'm actually completely unfamiliar with that they've done outside the quick round of PR in the immediate aftermath.

What have they done since? The ONLY appropriate thing I can think of is spending the money for a prk to be erected in its place. If I were a family member of someone from the fire, I sure wouldn't want to have a fucking thing to do with them or hear their apologies.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by academic punk
I'm actually completely unfamiliar with that they've done outside the quick round of PR in the immediate aftermath.

What have they done since? The ONLY appropriate thing I can think of is spending the money for a prk to be erected in its place. If I were a family member of someone from the fire, I sure wouldn't want to have a fucking thing to do with them or hear their apologies.

From what I've heard, they give all the proceeds from their shows to the victims fund.

[Big Troubles]

Originally posted by tomballin
>>It was a pinwheel sparkler, lit off the fucking bass drum, you cunt.

I had a friend killed in that fucking fire, and investigated it heavily. Don’t tell me what I do and don’t understand about that deal GAR, and you too Big Trouble! And GAR your “facts” are total bullshit! It WAS NOT a pinwheel sparkler, dumb ass! Secondly, the 3 tube “outdoor use only” pyro immediately set off the foam on both sides of the drummer’s alcove, built on that building, NOT the drums.

According to the investigative data over 10,000 clubs U.S. wide, had/have that cheap highly flammable foam installed. Zakk Wylde and hundreds of great acts played The Station and never burnt that club down, until those fucksticks in Great White hit there.

Two nights before in Maine, GW about burnt that club down with their set opening pyro stunt, but that club got lucky and had flame resistance tiles on the ceiling. GW’s pryo caused problems in 5 clubs on that Tour, yet those hacks kept using it, without ANY Federal or State licenses or required permits/approvals.

Last to use your word, cunt, if the band wasn’t guilt, why was their Tour manager multi-count indicted by a Rhode Island Grand Jury in that holocaust, GAR!

Gee, it was only the single largest club fire, as to death and injury, ever caused by an entertainment group in U.S. history.

Nuff said to your fucking ignorance on this subject.

This is a thread in Main. Main is about Dave and VH. Lets stay on subject, shall we? I think the point was, Great White didn't have anything to do with the tragedy. And the thread is "What other bands treated their fans like shit". I thought it was intellegent because it was a great response regarding the question asked. Nobody is talking bad about the tragedy, in fact nobody should talk about it here period. That shit goes in Non or better yet, give to Flappo to play with in the dump. :D

[Big Troubles]

And BTW, the band still wasn't charged with the incident. So it still doesn't change the facts.

[academic punk]

Great White were 100% at fault. I'll close by actually pointing this out...

testerdays news, coincidentally...

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496811/20050210/great_white.jhtml?headlines=true

when you are making statements two years aftre the fact through your lawyer, there's only one conclusion to my mind...

[Big Troubles]

Well, to me this is about as relavant as saying OJ was innocent and Michael Jackson likes women.

We will all have our own opinions on the first, but we all know Michael likes them boys!

To me, the band shouldn't be responsible for anything past performing IF they have someone hired to do all the rest. They did. His responsibilty.

[dave_is_vh]

Other than Milli Vanilli I can't think of any band that has fucked its fans the way Van Halen has.