Prett sad it's come to this for VH

[Terry]

Realize this has been the situation for about 4 and a half years now (since Cherone left in November of 1999), but Van Halen's music used to be their calling card. At least, when Roth was still around.

Yeah, yeah, they had great stage productions, and Dave did all the martial arts moves onstage and a great image, but all of that just accentuated the music.

Now Van Halen has been reduced to a bunch of rumors, failing record sales and gossip.

Wonder if Eddie thought it would all come to this in 1996 when he futzed around with Roth. Bet nowadays Mr.Fingers is wishing he had sealed the reunion deal with Dave on a permanent basis.

[Roth & Roll]

Re: Prett sad it's come to this for VH

Originally posted by Terry
Realize this has been the situation for about 4 and a half years now (since Cherone left in November of 1999), but Van Halen's music used to be their calling card. At least, when Roth was still around.

Yeah, yeah, they had great stage productions, and Dave did all the martial arts moves onstage and a great image, but all of that just accentuated the music.

Now Van Halen has been reduced to a bunch of rumors, failing record sales and gossip.

Wonder if Eddie thought it would all come to this in 1996 when he futzed around with Roth. Bet nowadays Mr.Fingers is wishing he had sealed the reunion deal with Dave on a permanent basis.

The last thing EVH cares about is public perception. Eddie Van Heineken has been pretty clear since '96 that he doesn't give a rats ass what you, me or any other fan of Classic VH wants. He doesn't need the money or adulation - he's gotten that from us already, and doesn't feel the need to do anything he doesn't want to do. He IS entitled to that, but don't mislead and insult the public by calling it "Van Halen". As far as I'm concerned the legacy of a once-great band has been reduced to nothing more than a joke.

[Sarge]

The only people who want Sam back in that band are either old women or guys who wear their socks up to their fucking kneecaps.

EVH and Sam is not Van Halen..

[Calderone]

"but don't mislead and insult the public by calling it "Van Halen"
Minimum ...
they gotta change the name

[Panamark]

Ive never met a genuine Sammy fan. Anyone I ever speak to about Van Halen only talks Dave era. There are obviously a few Sammy fans in the US. But Im not so sure that Van Hagar was ever that successful internationally. Spammy did a series of Solo shows here years ago (actually not long after the split up of Van Hagar). He was playing very small venues and PUB's. Apparently he dished it out bigtime to the Van Halens inbetween songs. I saw him on TV here at the time, and he also dissed the VH's while being interviewed. Oh those were happy days...

[WOAHYEAH]

Sorry, they kicked ass with Dave, with Sam, and with Gary [well, to a lesser extent] And they're going to kick ass AGAIN with Sam. Seems Roth doesnt think the reunions going to happen, heh, maybe in his world. Next week should be pretty enjoyable when the reunion is announced.

[Dave IS VH]

It's too bad the greatest rock band in history is nothing but the past with no future.

It's all up to Eddie to reunite VH, but I guess he doesn't give a shit about music anymore.

Eddie is such of fucking great guitar player, it's too bad he won't pick up a guitar and go on tour and play. There is a whole new generation that hasn't heard him play life yet.

[Wayne L.]

I think it's sad the way some VH fans like to pretend in their minds that it's still 78/79/80 waiting for the next album as well as pretending Eddie Van Halen is still 25 years old, which is tragic.

[Golden AWe]

I've never met a genuine Spammy-fan either...I own the Van Hagar-albums too, I like some of the songs, and know a lot of people who like Van Hagar but I know no one who thinks Van Hagar was the best band ever...

The reason might be that the genuine Spammy-fans are really those who just start families, drink milk and drive a Nissan...or maybe drink tequila/whiskey only at home.

And they have their Van Hagar-cd's next to Bon Jovi and Aerosmith's "I don't wanna miss a thing"-single.
They are not the people who I run into in a rock bar somewhere in the middle of a typical Tuesday.
And, opposite to Roth-fans with a family, these Spammy-fans who are older now didn't go to see VH in the beginning of the 80's when they were young and it was all about sex&drugs&rock&roll...they never lived it, they stayed home.

[FORD]

Originally posted by WOAHYEAH
Sorry, they kicked ass with Dave, with Sam, and with Gary [well, to a lesser extent] And they're going to kick ass AGAIN with Sam. Seems Roth doesnt think the reunions going to happen, heh, maybe in his world. Next week should be pretty enjoyable when the reunion is announced.

How do I know when it's cheese?
I can't tell you, but it smells like cheddar oooooohhhhhhhh

Yeah, that kicks so much ass

[Dave IS VH]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dave IS VH
that hasn't heard him play life yet. [/QUOTE

Sorry, I meant to say, that hasn't heard him play "live" yet!!!!!!!!

I was kind of out of it yesterday!!!!!!!!!!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Well stated fellas....

Now that it appears that it's all but a formality that the Velveeta One will once again front VH, I'm going to be very interested in two main issues:

1. Concert attendance - As I've said before, IMHO they will sellout the major metropolitan arenas/ampitheaters, i.e. NYC/NJ, LA/SD/SF, Chicago, Philly, etc.... And of course the reason they'll sellout is easy, when you've got 5 million people in a metropolitan area, you can easily accumulate 20,000 Cheeseheads together to sing "When It's Love" for their encore....

But it's in the other areas of the country that they're going to get a rude awakening IMO, and I predict they'll get between 70-80 pct. capacity at those areas.... For example, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, down here in VA/NC, Florida, and in the Midwest (less KC/STL, which is Hagar country).... In most of those areas from what I've seen in the past, even those traditionally have been strong VH bases, meaning strong ROTH VH bases.... The atypical blue-collar American worker doesn't want anything to do with a pudgy 50-ish beach bum singing ballads.... Now I'm sure that you'll have those Samheads that will say that 70-80 percent capacity isn't a bad thing... Sure, if you're Van Hagar it isn't.... When did DLR/VH have thousands of empty seats at one of their shows ???

2. Album/CD sales - Concentrating right now on BOV-2, I don't think it's a stretch to predict it'll go platinum, however IMO the primary reason that it'll be able to go platinum will be out of sheer curiosity for the new songs... In addition, I'll be interested to see just what songs they put on the album....

So, in summary, am I looking forward to Van Velveeta part Deux ??

Not by a longshot....

Having said that, I'm curious to hear what new riffs Ed has come up with in his 5 year hibernation....

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by Dave IS VH


Eddie is such of fucking great guitar player, it's too bad he won't pick up a guitar and go on tour and play. There is a whole new generation that hasn't heard him play life yet.

And they won't hear him play live to his capabilities with Hagar fronting.

[Dave IS VH]

No question, only way I would go see Van Halen is if Dave is involved!!!!!!!!

Other wise it's a fucked up version of Van Halen.

[Coyote]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
I've never met a genuine Spammy-fan either...I own the Van Hagar-albums too, I like some of the songs, and know a lot of people who like Van Hagar but I know no one who thinks Van Hagar was the best band ever...

The reason might be that the genuine Spammy-fans are really those who just start families, drink milk and drive a Nissan...or maybe drink tequila/whiskey only at home.

And they have their Van Hagar-cd's next to Bon Jovi and Aerosmith's "I don't wanna miss a thing"-single.
They are not the people who I run into in a rock bar somewhere in the middle of a typical Tuesday.
And, opposite to Roth-fans with a family, these Spammy-fans who are older now didn't go to see VH in the beginning of the 80's when they were young and it was all about sex&drugs&rock&roll...they never lived it, they stayed home.

That's hitting the nail on the head.