Would it be different???

**FORD** · 03-31-2005, 11:25 AM

The main difference between Ac/Dc with Brian Johnson and Van Hagar isn't how the singer got the job. It's what happenned to the band after he did.

Ac/Dc didn't become a top 40 cheese ballad factory. In fact, the true irony is that the one and only love song Ac/Dc will ever record appeared on their first album in 1974, and the song still hasn't been released outside of Australia that I'm aware of. Which is just as well.

I respect Brian and the rest of the band for keeping it going and keeping it real, but that doesn't exclude the fact that I will always believe the first 6 Ac/Dc albums were the best they will ever do. Definitely the most diverse, in musical terms, as well. It's been said that every album they made with Brian Johnson sounds the same, and that's pretty much a true statement. But you can't say that about "High Voltage" and "Let There Be Rock" or "Dirty Deeds" and "Highway to Hell" or "TNT" and "Powerage". Each of the 6 albums they made with Bon has something that distinguishes it from the other 5. Whether it's the previously mentioned "Love Song" on the first album. Or the first bagpipe solo on a rock song on the second. Or a very cleverly written song about "balls" on the third - which actually managed to get played on the air in the days of pre-corporatized FM radio.

As far as the Paul Rodgers & Queen thing, don't even get me started. Rodgers, even at 60, is still singing great, but that doesn't make him Freddie Mercury. And only Freddie Mercury can do justice to Queen.

In one respect, Queen did better than Van Halen or Ac/Dc. You actually got 8 great albums out of them before the music took a wrong turn. If you can find "The Crown Jewels" box set, which is the first 8 Queen albums remastered (and not the shitty Hollywood Records 1991 remasters either) it's all the Queen you'll ever need.

Of course if you actually like all that "radio gaga" stuff, go for it

But I'll stick to my Free and Bad Company albums when I want to hear Paul Rodgers singing.

**hard rock** · 03-31-2005, 11:53 AM

All very good points Ford. I agree with the paul rodgers. i cant get enough( no pun intended) of Bad co and Free. i saw him live back in 95 and he kicked ass.

Hey you cant beat the bag pipe solo on its a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll. Whats his face from Korn tried blowing his pipes and in my opinion shoudnt even have tried. You can repeat or replace a classic.

Yeah Every brian album with maybe the exception of Fly on the wall sounds the same.

But you mention a good point what if van hagar didnt become a cheese factory and instead put out Good Enough, Summer nights, poundcake and humans Being but stayed away from Dreams ,love walks in and right now. Would it be ok then??

**hard rock** · 03-31-2005, 11:55 AM

Some others as well, Iron maiden with Bruce, Sabbath with Dio. all respected. Van Hagar not the case. Hmm food for thought

**Satan** · 03-31-2005, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by hard rock
Some others as well, Iron maiden with Bruce, Sabbath with Dio. all respected. Van Hagar not the case. Hmm food for thought

Sabbath with Dio was an entirely different band from the original Sabbath. But a damn good rock band all the same. Dehumanizer was the only album released under the name "Black Sabbath" between 1984 and 1997 that was listenable, and I wouldn't have minded at all if that reunion had lasted longer, especially given the fact that, despite the fact that Ozzy has basically been back with the band since the mid 90's, they have yet to produce a single studio album. Had Dio remained in the band, there probably would have been at least 2, possibly 3 more albums by now.

As for Maiden with Bruce Dickinson, that IS the definitive lineup of the band as far as most of the fans are concerned. He's not considered the "Sammy Hagar" of Maiden. Same could be said of Ian Gillan in Deep Purple. He's considered the definitive Purple frontman, as he should be, though he was not their first singer.

**hard rock** · 03-31-2005, 03:01 PM

Satan good view points as well. I like Deep Purple with ian Gillian but i thought the stuff they did with coverdale was great. Burn is one of my all time fave tunes.

**redballjet** · 03-31-2005, 03:12 PM

Remember also that Brian Johnson and AC/DC didn't totally trash Bon Scott the way Van Hagar trashed Dave. AC/DC have always had the highest regard for Bon and his contributions. I honestly feel Van Hagar's biggest flaw wasn't their musical changes ( I mean, c'mon, when a creative genius leaves the band, there will be musical changes), but there total and flagrant lack of class when it came to dealing with the split.

**Mezro** · 03-31-2005, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by redballjet
Remember also that Brian Johnson and AC/DC didn't totally trash Bon Scott the way Van Hagar trashed Dave. AC/DC have always had the highest regard for Bon and his contributions. I honestly feel Van Hagar's biggest flaw wasn't their musical changes ( I mean, c'mon, when a creative genius leaves the band, there will be musical changes), but there total and flagrant lack of class when it came to dealing with the split.

Exactly.

Mezro...if Sam said "hey, I'm no David Lee Roth but man what a great legacy he had; that guy is a living legend - I'm doing a different thing but I will always respect what came before" there would be zero hatred from Roth fans...does not mean we would like the music but this whole "war" would not exist...

**hard rock** · 03-31-2005, 03:42 PM

Excellent points guys, one things for sure Brian never had any hang ups doing the Bon era stuff the way Sam had doing the DLR era stuff.

But with that said Gary was cool with the DLR era and most people hated him? so i guess it will always be a mixed bag of opinions.

Any ACDC show with brian has a lot of old bon era songs in the set list. Van Hagar only 1 or 2 and on this tour Sam said oh yeah im going to pay tribute to the legacy and played 1 or 2 more tunes that he only sings half and has either the audience sing or mikey??

**bueno bob** · 03-31-2005, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Mezro
Exactly.

Mezro...if Sam said "hey, I'm no David Lee Roth but man what a great legacy he had; that guy is a living legend - I'm doing a different thing but I will always respect what came before" there would be zero hatred from Roth fans...does not mean we would like the music but this whole "war" would not exist...

EXACTLY. Once again, Mez nails it to the wall. Had Sam even brought an ounce of some dignity or respect for the band he was joining to the table originally, had he said JUST THAT, if nothing else, had the past catalog been treated with RESPECT rather than being virtually ignored or just downplayed in its importance, the world of Van Halen would be a lot different today.

Cherone attempted to do this, which is why I give him some credit. Coming to the table, he knew he was the wrong guy for the job, he knew he had tremendous, impossible shoes to fill (coming off of the failed Roth '96 bit, Van Halen had not only alienated the Roth fans but the Hagar fans as well), he had nothing but raves for both eras. Very smart, considering, and he somehow or another convinced Ed to treat the classic catalog with a bit of respect during live performances.

Of course, Van Halen III sucked donkey balls, and Gary wasn't exactly an able frontman for live performances (to put it mildly), but my long-winded point is, had Hagar come aboard with Cherone's attitude, the Sam bashing would probably have been reduced by 85% over the years. The Sam vs. Dave battle would have been a few border skirmishes and it would have died off quickly (much like the Bon/Brian and Paul/Bruce battles).

As it stands, Sammy Hagar is a FUCKING TOOL. And that's what ya gots!

**rustoffa** · 03-31-2005, 09:18 PM

I personally believe that Ed had a pipe organ blueprint for the direction the band was headed regardless.

It was NEVER going to be anything BUT different.

Something to the effect of, "Alright, this is the way it's going to be...If you think for one fucking second I couldn't replace you with Eddie Money tomorrow, there's the door. History will teach us nothing, get it?

You can either work WITH me or against me. I'm changing the fucking logo, the fucking mantra, and in case you haven't noticed, hiring a new fucking singer.

If you have any ideas about re-creating the vibe of the last six records, that would be considered working AGAINST me.

Basically, what I'm telling you is, "It's my way or the highway, and you can drive howeverthefuck fast you want down it if you're not on board 110%."

Do you have any problems with any of this?

"Absolutely not....where do I sign?"

**Three Lock Rock** · 04-01-2005, 03:12 AM

face it, sammy just made van halen better. had david actually shown some sort of musical talent, actually contributed something to van halen rather than riding eddie's coat tails throughout his run with them, maybe theyd have still been something that could be looked on without laughing your ass off, but thank god 1985 happened and david hit the bricks! van halen only got better for it.

**generalroth** · 04-01-2005, 12:26 PM

Three lock cock sucks! go back to cabo and wabo some nuts! pussy boy!

**Three Lock Rock** · 04-01-2005, 12:26 PM

at least MY hero can actually sell out a concert!

whens the last time your hero can claim that? 1985?

thats what i thought.

three lock rock

**generalroth** · 04-01-2005, 12:32 PM

Three lock cock sucks! go back to cabo and wabo some nuts! pussy boy!

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