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  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49567

    Searching Through The Van Halen Archives...

    "While I was searching through the archives for visual and audio for the Led Zeppelin DVD, I re-discovered these 1972 performances from the 25th June, LA Forum and 27th June, Long Beach Arena. This is Led Zeppelin at its best and an illustration of How The West Was Won."

    --Jimmy Page, London, March 2003

    *From the linear notes of How The West Was Won. Led Zeppelin's seminal and well received live album that was a happy accident, as Page forgot he had soundboard recordings from the early 1970's that lended themselves well to studio engineering and were mixing by Kevin Shirley of SARM West Studios.

    __________________________

    Van Halen will always be on the second tier of the rock greatness pantheon! A distant second best to the acts which influenced generations, bands such as The Who, AC/DC, The Rolling Stones, and of course Led Zeppelin.

    Page, Robert Plant, Kieth Richards, Pete Townsend, Angus Young: these musicians go into their past to pull out gems of glory to show what made them great, without fear nor remorse for what might have been.

    The subject of this thread is well trodden, but continually, we see the sisters' pettiness, spitefulness illustrating for us why this band has long lost the potential to reach the heights of the greatest of the greats, and is now little more than an 80's retro-retread act in the vein of Journey
    (who despite comically changing their lead singer, continue to release past live material with Steve Perry), Foreigner, REO Speedwagon, and Styx. Bands that sold and made money, but are not very influential nor remembered by today's young people. I see kids all the time with Led Zeppelin, Metallica, and AC/DC tee-shirts. I have never, ever seen a teen wearing a Van Halen emblem! A dire consequence of changing lead singers at the pinnacle of success. From David LEE ROTH to the Red Schlocker The Cheese Master General of rock and roll: Sammy HAGAR.

    The above acts show they give a shit by releasing their oldest, vintage material from their "archives" while we know Ed continues sit upon reams of quality pro-shot material featuring the mighty Roth as their lead singer. Example:
    Clocking in at nearly five and a half hours, LED ZEPPELIN DVD has been taken from the few performances which were ever filmed during the band's lifetime: London's Royal Albert Hall in January 1970, just one year after the release of their debut album; their triumphant five-night run at London's Earl's Court in May 1975; and their record-breaking shows at England's Knebworth Festival in August 1979, just one year before the death of drummer John Bonham. Also included are songs from New York's Madison Square Garden in July 1973.

    Visually and sonically stunning, LED ZEPPELIN DVD has been painstakingly restored, remixed, and remastered in Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround, DTS, and PCM Two-Channel Stereo - under the personal supervision of Jimmy Page and director Dick Carruthers.


    The demand for such material is there. I have no doubt that a retrospective of Roth era Van Halen that is reworked and engineered into Dolby DTS 5.1 sound would shoot to the top of the sales charts.

    The excuse frequently given, by those "in-the-know" for Eddie's stinginess are that the videos maybe too expensive to update and they may never recoup the costs associated with such a venture! BULLSHIT!

    Van Halen merely run from the shadows of their past glory with David LEE ROTH at the helm. Haunted by the spectre that perhaps, if the band had held it together, they would have been masters of the pantheon remembered with the 'Stones and 'Zeppelin instead of just a faint shadow of them, a band that went from innovator to followers of the 80's trends of soupy power-ballads and catchy, empty tunes fraught with nothingness, and mostly stupid lyrics.

    A reunion with ROTH is unlikely, and perhaps undesirable, at this point. But a continuance with Sammy is also virtually confirmed to be nowhere in site. Ed finally has time to sift throughout the "archive" and find his soundboard/pro-shot material and release a comprehensive retrospective DVD/CD set of the band and their music live and in all its glory. Music that was designed to blast in hockey halls and stadiums, more so than on your stereo!

    Some suggestions for release; the following, or the equivelant in material recorded and archived in "Eddie's vault," into a retrospective or both audio and/or video depending on the orgin:

    US Festival, 1983 Audio/Video





    Largo, Maryland; October 12, 1982


    Oakland June 12th, 1981

    "Unchained" Vid'

    The Quebec show from April, 1984


    Any other good pro-quality boots you can think of out there? Rumors?

    Previous threads on the topic:









    DAVE'S PA RENTAL's online petition:

    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 05-01-2005, 01:45 PM.
  • Three Lock Rock
    Sniper
    • Apr 2005
    • 905

    #2
    Ha! poor Dickdfresh will never get to see his faggit roth live in videos!


    Maybe you fucking rothtard faggits should watch this shit more often homos! ed doesn't want to embarass himself by showing himself live next to faggit lee roth!

    three lock rock (rothtards got nuthin!)




    hey how do i make those into pictures?[IMG]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/63...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg[/IMG]

    fuckin piece of shit! the pictures don't work! R the fuckjing gay mods here like Mezero not allowing me to put up real van halen images!
    Last edited by Three Lock Rock; 05-01-2005, 02:20 PM.
    Van Halen 1986-1996, 2004: 80 Million sold and counting!!!

    Van Who Again? 2007 : UNDERSOLD, OVERRATED FAILURES!!!

    Owned bitches:

    Bueno Boob
    Prikk
    Billl Limpburgh
    Dickdfresh
    Matt Wite
    Shaun Ponsonby
    Wawazass
    Sole Reeper
    and any other Rothtard faggit that tries to deny that REAL Van Halen is SAMMY HAGAR!

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    • larbo
      Foot Soldier
      • Apr 2005
      • 548

      #3
      now I know you are legally retarded. jimmy page is at best an average guitar player. although led zeppelin had some good song's they never reached the level that van halen was on. jimmy page is so jealous of ed, he has insulted him in numerous interview's.
      WIGGER STOMPER

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      • Three Lock Rock
        Sniper
        • Apr 2005
        • 905

        #4


        ok i got it now!

        three lock rock (ownin the rothtards!)
        Van Halen 1986-1996, 2004: 80 Million sold and counting!!!

        Van Who Again? 2007 : UNDERSOLD, OVERRATED FAILURES!!!

        Owned bitches:

        Bueno Boob
        Prikk
        Billl Limpburgh
        Dickdfresh
        Matt Wite
        Shaun Ponsonby
        Wawazass
        Sole Reeper
        and any other Rothtard faggit that tries to deny that REAL Van Halen is SAMMY HAGAR!

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        • Three Lock Rock
          Sniper
          • Apr 2005
          • 905

          #5


          This is a grate Van Halen live album!
          Van Halen 1986-1996, 2004: 80 Million sold and counting!!!

          Van Who Again? 2007 : UNDERSOLD, OVERRATED FAILURES!!!

          Owned bitches:

          Bueno Boob
          Prikk
          Billl Limpburgh
          Dickdfresh
          Matt Wite
          Shaun Ponsonby
          Wawazass
          Sole Reeper
          and any other Rothtard faggit that tries to deny that REAL Van Halen is SAMMY HAGAR!

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          • Soul Reaper
            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
            • Jan 2005
            • 8343

            #6
            Originally posted by Three Lock Rock
            [B hey how do i make those into pictures? [IMG]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/63...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg[/IMG]

            fuckin piece of shit! the pictures don't work! R the fuckjing gay mods here like Mezero not allowing me to put up real van halen images! [/B]
            you typed it in wrong, idiot
            ROTH ARMY YOUTUBE CHANNEL:

            http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RothArmyVideos

            "May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face." - Frank Zappa to Tipper Gore

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            • Three Lock Rock
              Sniper
              • Apr 2005
              • 905

              #7
              Originally posted by Soul Reaper
              you typed it in wrong, idiot
              yeah thanks for ur help captane obvious!

              three lock rock (rothtrad fans r useless!
              Van Halen 1986-1996, 2004: 80 Million sold and counting!!!

              Van Who Again? 2007 : UNDERSOLD, OVERRATED FAILURES!!!

              Owned bitches:

              Bueno Boob
              Prikk
              Billl Limpburgh
              Dickdfresh
              Matt Wite
              Shaun Ponsonby
              Wawazass
              Sole Reeper
              and any other Rothtard faggit that tries to deny that REAL Van Halen is SAMMY HAGAR!

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              • Redballjets88
                Full Member Status

                • Mar 2005
                • 4469

                #8
                it is spelled captain and larbo is right about page he is so overated he isnt that good
                R.I.P Van Halen 1978-1984

                hopefully God will ressurect you

                "i wont be messing with you in future.the fearsome redballjets88 for fear of you owning me some more" Axl S


                " I liked Sammy Hagar " FORD

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49567

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Redballjets88
                  it is spelled captain and larbo is right about page he is so overated he isnt that good
                  Page is a great guitar God! As good as Ed, NO! Certainly not technically speaking. That wasn't my point. I wasn't comparing the bands musically, just the public perceptions of them and their current relevance and sales.

                  Page gets a bum wrap live because he was always intoxicated on something! But he is an excellent guitar player, in the studio at least and he sounds fucking great on HTWWW. And Ed has slagged off Jimmy many times as "sloppy" live (i.e. drunk!).

                  BTW, dumbass Larblow proved my point, despite the fact that Classic VAN HALEN runs rings around Led Zeppelin live, Ed has failed to take advantage of one of the bands main strongs suits of their energetic live performances. Consequently, Van Halen as a whole is somewhat underrated, if not almost completely ignored, by today's younger music fans who have embraced Led Zeppelin and AC/DC to a much lager extent. Both of the above bands earlier work is far more accessible than Van Ha--- which continues to virtually deny they existed before 1986!

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                  • Nickdfresh
                    SUPER MODERATOR

                    • Oct 2004
                    • 49567

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Three Lock Rock


                    This is a grate Van Halen live album!
                    Yeah, they did a grate' (blow)job punching it up in the studio. From a lame tour, even by SHEEP standards!
                    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 05-01-2005, 04:53 PM.

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                    • Nickdfresh
                      SUPER MODERATOR

                      • Oct 2004
                      • 49567

                      #11
                      Originally posted by larbo
                      now I know you are legally retarded. jimmy page is at best an average guitar player. although led zeppelin had some good song's they never reached the level that van halen was on. jimmy page is so jealous of ed, he has insulted him in numerous interview's.
                      I'm "retarded?" Larblow, you really are such a pathetic douchebag here. Do you ever know what you are talking about? At least I know the basic rules of capitalization.

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                      • cwsmith17
                        Sniper
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 957

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Three Lock Rock
                        Ha! poor Dickdfresh will never get to see his faggit roth live in videos!


                        Maybe you fucking rothtard faggits should watch this shit more often homos! ed doesn't want to embarass himself by showing himself live next to faggit lee roth!

                        three lock rock (rothtards got nuthin!)




                        hey how do i make those into pictures?[IMG]http://images.amazon.com/images/P/63...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg[/IMG]

                        fuckin piece of shit! the pictures don't work! R the fuckjing gay mods here like Mezero not allowing me to put up real van halen images!
                        Sammy Hagar is a David Lee Roth wannabe.

                        Sam copied Dave's kicking and screaming to pretend to be Dave.

                        That is pathetic!

                        At least be yourself.

                        Sam is a complete tool. You are a loser and I can't believe the shit you write on this site. You are the lamest fakking douchebag and you should continue to worship Sam, you belong together!

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                        • Last_Child
                          Commando
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 1450

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Three Lock Rock


                          This is a grate Van Halen live album!
                          Jesus Christ!

                          That DVD is the fucking worst I've seen..

                          Live: Right Here Right Now
                          "With a rate of fire of over 20 rounds per second, the IMI Micro Uzi is almost as fast as Yngwie Malmsteen, and 25.4 times more musical"

                          Worst of all... It's true..

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                          • Terry
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 12133

                            #14
                            Led Zeppelin were consistently shit-hot live through about 1971. Still excellent overall in 1972 and 1973, but some dodgy concerts happened here and there.

                            From 1975 on, Zep's live output was dicey at times. Bonham and John Paul Jones continually rose to the occasion, but Page became smack addled, and Plant's coke use began to wear on his voice. The 1977 tour was especially telling in terms of this. Have heard a fair amount of boots from all stages of Zep's career, and there were plenty of shows in the mid-to-late 1970s where Page and Plant didn't quite cut it.

                            Was probably easier for the remnants of Led Zep to put out the recent live Zep CD and DVD because Zep and Peter Grant always made sure they retained ownership of their music and output. from the very get-go. They were basically their own entity at Atlantic records. Don't think Van Halen had a similar deal with Warner Brothers. Plus, even with the Zep DVD a lot of that film had to be hunted down in various film storage warehouses, and Page even solicited contributions from individual collectors. There's no saying for sure that Ed even has possession of all or any of the available live CVH video at 5150, or it's still at Warners.

                            If WB has control of the master prints, gonna be that much harder for the DVD we all want to come out now that VH and Roth are no longer even on the label. On the other hand, WB probably would have put something out if they could have. Maybe it's some arrangement where all four members of CVH and WB have to consent for the material to be released under an agreement that differs from the 6-pack stuff.

                            But there's certainly no reason for Ed to withhold release if he's worried about a CVH live release outselling whatever Van Hagar is up to, as some kind of a conciliatory gesture to Sam Hagar. That excuse went out the window in 1996. Van Hagar is a moot point now. Wasn't like the group was gonna have some extended second phase of their career as a result of what happened in 2004. Can't believe anyone involved thought it was gonna be anything other than a one-off thing, and if they did they certainly oughta know better by now.

                            Even Ed having concerns about a classic VH dvd posing a threat to whatever Ed wants to do in the future or overshadowing his present-day activities are silly, because outside of 2004 Ed hasn't been up to jack-shit since 1999, and without Dave at the helm the entity known as Van Halen has no viable commercial future. Shit, even with Sammy out front 'Van Halen' would generate some ticket sales, but Sam himself bravely 'announced' five months later what we all knew the minute Van Hagar 2004 finished thier last tour date; that Van Hagar is all done and has no immediate future.

                            I mean, if Ed and his brother don't wanna reunite with Dave, whatever. But if those two are what is holding up a CVH live release, just doesn't make sense. It would be like them thinking if they prohibit any promotion of the bands classic lineup, then people will be forced to accept (or at least purchase) what 'Van Halen' releases these days. If that's the mindset, then someone oughta tell them it aint gonna work.

                            Page and Plant didn't always get along post-Zep, with Plant frequently shying away from his history with Zep because he didn't want to be associated ONLY with Zep in terms of how his music career was looked at. The remaining Beatles have been entangled in lawsuits for years, even after Lennon's death. Both of those bands came around and realized that there was still a demand for the past, and that it could be approached in a way that would prove to be both respectful of what had been created before AND lucrative at the same time. Maybe EVH and his brother will also come to that conclusion at some point down the line. Don't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon, though.
                            Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                            • GAR
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 10881

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Three Lock Rock
                              [IMG] (ownin the rothtards!)
                              Live Without a Net doesn't really capture much of the VH vibe does it.. from what I've seen on MTV like "Best Of Both Worlds" cut, the audience is standing with arms folded, just kinda like "well, it's a show" kinda show.

                              Not like a "woo hoo, this is a VAN HALEN show."

                              Plus, the band performance is fairly lackluster. Theres no rich spoiled Jewish punk onstage stealing all the attention with his schtick.

                              THAT was Van Halen. Van Hagar is like, ok there's this guitar-guy and his band, but something isn't quite right otherwise.

                              Dave offset the heavy metal edge in Van Halen, he used to mock the very name "heavy metal" and called his schtick Big Rock, giving many young people a Gateway Drug® to the biggest and baddest band of the land.

                              Van Hagar was a McGateway™ to the urinals, from so many legion of pissed off fans having to go and never come back again. Live Without A Splash-Shield/Urine Cake more like..

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