Lead Singers Disease (LSD)

[BenJammin]

If this is to be considered legitimate, logically wouldn't there be such a thing as LGPD (and if I have to spell it out, obviously... "Lead Guitar Players Disease")?

And if so, wouldn't this be a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

I guess my point is this, if Ed is always talking about Dave's ego (and Spam too), what does he think he is? Perfect? Is he the only one allowed to have an ego because, as he has been quoted "God works thru him" ?

[vanzilla]

It's a complicated web, isn't it?

Ed's ego=a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

[fryingdutchman]

Originally posted by vanzilla
It's a complicated web, isn't it?

Ed's ego=a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

Or....

Ed's ego=a bottle wrapped in a brown paper bag.

[DrMaddVibe]

Dave's "ego" helped propel a band into superstardom. Nobody was complaining then!

What's Ed's disorder? Vacant Guitarist Syndrome? Yuppie Flu? Brown Bag Condition? He's told more lies about the inner workings of Van Halen than anybody in the band! Him and his toady brother ALice. "Yeah Dave was outta control" bullshit! Van Hagar has been out of control ever since they brought Spammy in the fold. Ok lazy ass, we get the point now make it right!

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Or Ed=Lousy Selfish Drunkard

[canadiandlrgirl]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
Or Ed=Lousy Selfish Drunkard

you got that right......

[Terry]

Well, it's just a fact that Ed and Al never blame themselves for anything negative that happens to Van Halen. That whole deal in 1996, when Ed (far as I can remember) first started using the term Lead Singers Disease.....I mean, you listen and read what Ed and Al have to say about it, and they say that it was Sammy's fault because he wasn't more of a team player, then Dave was to blame because he was eager to hit the road with Van Halen and his ego got reinflated during the MVAs, blah blah blah. Even Hagar when talking about Sam Halen in 1996 and 2004 never takes any responsibility for anything that went awry; he always blames it all on Ed's personality. Even as late as 2004 Ed was claiming that someone he had hired an engineer who had been working with him for a few years, and he could never get the sound Ed wanted, etc. It's always someone else's fault with this guy.

Dave concedes that he and the Van Halens weren't getting along prior to the 1985 split ("the chemistry had turned rotten" "I'm not Mr-Not-Guilty-here at all") and said that he was also probably responsible for his own denial during the summer of 1996, and even conceded in 2004 that he was the primary decision-maker when he was in Van Halen, and that was why he thought the Van Halens disliked him to this day. Different from the Van Halens stance of saying "everyone else is to blame but us".

Think the whole LSD thing was just a feeble excuse to try and explain away both Sam and Dave being ejected for the band and Ed picking Gary Cherone to sing as something other than Ed and Al asserting control over the band, and being threatened by Sam and Dave wanting their say. The Van Halens would have been better off saying that they wanted to be the main decision-makers of the group without question, that they got rid of Sam because he didn't do what they wanted him to (contribute to a lame-ass movie soundtrack and greatest hits album) and that they wanted to work with Dave again, rather than saying the guy has a lazy work ethic (which, on appearance, is a good one when you compare Hagar's output to the Van Halens post-1996; makes Ed and Al look foolish). As far as Dave not being in the band long-term, rather than concoct some story about his bad behaviour at the MVAs (which they may well not have dug what Dave did at the MVAs, but Roth's fate was already sealed long before CVH showed up to NYC to introduce Beck), the Van Halens should have just said that they wanted to make the choices for the band, and Roth wasn't gonna sit back and let Ed and Al run the show without giving his input because it wasn't in his nature to, but they decided to complete the two songs for the BOV1 because the Van Halens knew it would sell more records.
The flat-out lying served the brothers no purpose in the end. Doubt Van Halen 3 would have (by VH standards) bombed any worse if the bros had just told the truth; by blaming everyone else, the brothers tried to come of as victims, but their own "it's my ball and i'll let whoever I want play with me" arrogance always shined through their denials. We see in 2004 that Ed and Al are finally comfortable with saying that they are, in fact, the core and spirit of Van Halen and that the group starts and ends with them. In order for that to be true, they need to start accepting some responsibility for their missteps as well.

[Hardrock69]

Shit man what if they had actually got Patti Smythe to play in their band? They woulda kicked her out eventually and blamed everything on her as well!

As much as I hate to say it, I would almost prefer to see no reunion.

Why?

Because eventually they would finish their tour (IF they finished it) and then they would call it a day, and Ed The Drunk and Al The Wifebeater would start to talk smack about Dave, and would begin the same ol' song-and-dance routine again....talking shit about everyone else except themselves.

Fucking losers.

[Loons The Great]

Nah deres one 'ting dats clear right here...Yez Yez...Ed needs to SHUT UP AND PLUG IN...he's a crummy human bean widout dat geetar in his hands YES YES YES nah...I said I do believe to my soul...somebody's try'n to steal my jelly roll...

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by Loons The Great
Nah deres one 'ting dats clear right here...Yez Yez...Ed needs to SHUT UP AND PLUG IN...he's a crummy human bean widout dat geetar in his hands YES YES YES nah...I said I do believe to my soul...somebody's try'n to steal my jelly roll...

Ye-yeah Taj, dat's fa shore... :D

[bueno bob]

Eddie just needs a good god damn kick in the ass and that's all.

[BenJammin]

Originally posted by Terry
Well, it's just a fact that Ed and Al never blame themselves for anything negative that happens to Van Halen. That whole deal in 1996, when Ed (far as I can remember) first started using the term Lead Singers Disease.....I mean, you listen and read what Ed and Al have to say about it, and they say that it was Sammy's fault because he wasn't more of a team player, then Dave was to blame because he was eager to hit the road with Van Halen and his ego got reinflated during the MVAs, blah blah blah. Even Hagar when talking about Sam Halen in 1996 and 2004 never takes any responsibility for anything that went awry; he always blames it all on Ed's personality. Even as late as 2004 Ed was claiming that someone he had hired an engineer who had been working with him for a few years, and he could never get the sound Ed wanted, etc. It's always someone else's fault with this guy.

Dave concedes that he and the Van Halens weren't getting along prior to the 1985 split ("the chemistry had turned rotten" "I'm not Mr-Not-Guilty-here at all") and said that he was also probably responsible for his own denial during the summer of 1996, and even conceded in 2004 that he was the primary decision-maker when he was in Van Halen, and that was why he thought the Van Halens disliked him to this day. Different from the Van Halens stance of saying "everyone else is to blame but us".

Think the whole LSD thing was just a feeble excuse to try and explain away both Sam and Dave being ejected for the band and Ed picking Gary Cherone to sing as something other than Ed and Al asserting control over the band, and being threatened by Sam and Dave wanting their say. The Van Halens would have been better off saying that they wanted to be the main decision-makers of the group without question, that they got rid of Sam because he didn't do what they wanted him to (contribute to a lame-ass movie soundtrack and greatest hits album) and that they wanted to work with Dave again, rather than saying the guy has a lazy work ethic (which, on appearance, is a good one when you compare Hagar's output to the Van Halens post-1996; makes Ed and Al look foolish). As far as Dave not being in the band long-term, rather than concoct some story about his bad behaviour at the MVAs (which they may well not have dug what Dave did at the MVAs, but Roth's fate was already sealed long before CVH showed up to NYC to introduce Beck), the Van Halens should have just said that they wanted to make the choices for the band, and Roth wasn't gonna sit back and let Ed and Al run the show without giving his input because it wasn't in his nature to, but they decided to complete the two songs for the BOV1 because the Van Halens knew it would sell more records.
The flat-out lying served the brothers no purpose in the end. Doubt Van Halen 3 would have (by VH standards) bombed any worse if the bros had just told the truth; by blaming everyone else, the brothers tried to come of as victims, but their own "it's my ball and i'll let whoever I want play with me" arrogance always shined through their denials. We see in 2004 that Ed and Al are finally comfortable with saying that they are, in fact, the core and spirit of Van Halen and that the group starts and ends with them. In order for that to be true, they need to start accepting some responsibility for their missteps as well.

Very good analysis there Terry! VHIII was their wakeup call too. They couldn't come out publicly and blame Gary for anything, he gave what he had and didn't come in misrepresented in any way [they knew what they were getting].

Then maybe they had to look introspectively. Did they come up with the right answer? Maybe, but if the truth be known, coupled with their innate inability to self-analyze, they probably blamed the fans at some point, or just became totally confused and therefore the 6 year hiatus to bury the whole experience, vice accepting themselves as the common denominator in their decline. I think the record label was the biggest motivator for them to either get Sam or Dave back, and of course they opted for Spam, but the sisters' ego/control issues were still there, which has resulted in even Spam pretty much saying he is done also. Which thrusts the Halens back into their mired pit of confusion and desire to place blame anywhere except themselves.

Yeah, LSD my ass. They just need a mirror.

[BenJammin]

Another thing...

I believe the sisters are singer-ist [as in rac-ist]. They feel singers are a lower life form than themselves [as musicians] and therefore do not rate an opinion and are literally treated as second class citizens in the band.

I wonder how this carries over into other areas of their life? i.e. How they treat [er, past tense needed there... 'treated'] their wives?

How they treat their fans?

Hmm, have I found something here? Are they 'uber-musicians' ?
(couldn't find the character code to put the double dots over the 'u')

I AM THE GREAT EDWARD VAN HALEN, NOW BOW DOWN BEFORE ME FOUL, INFERIOR SWINE THAT YOU ARE!

[Terry]

Originally posted by BenJammin
Very good analysis there Terry! VHIII was their wakeup call too. They couldn't come out publicly and blame Gary for anything, he gave what he had and didn't come in misrepresented in any way [they knew what they were getting].

Then maybe they had to look introspectively. Did they come up with the right answer? Maybe, but if the truth be known, coupled with their innate inability to self-analyze, they probably blamed the fans at some point, or just became totally confused and therefore the 6 year hiatus to bury the whole experience, vice accepting themselves as the common denominator in their decline. I think the record label was the biggest motivator for them to either get Sam or Dave back, and of course they opted for Spam, but the sisters' ego/control issues were still there, which has resulted in even Spam pretty much saying he is done also. Which thrusts the Halens back into their mired pit of confusion and desire to place blame anywhere except themselves.

Yeah, LSD my ass. They just need a mirror.

I mean, the sensible thing for Cherone to have done, 'specially in the wake of the shitstorm that accompanied the end of the 1996 CVH fiasco, was to have declined to sing for the band. Some would say that sounds stupid, and that no singer would turn down that gig, but the writing was on the wall for Van Cherone before a single note of music was released. EVH, his brother and their management stirred up a hornest nests' worth of resentment with the whole '96 Roth debacle. Cherone should have realized that people were fuckin' PRIMED to see CVH again, and nothing was gonna dinimish that. Didn't help matters that Van Halen 3 stunk on ice, either. Cherone did his best to accomodate classic fans by singing a lot of CVH tunes that hadn't been done live since Roth had left the band, but even he had to know that people wanted to see the original lineup doing them. Some say they almost feel sorry for Gary because he wasn't given a fair chance, but he knew what he was getting into.

As for the Van Halens, well, they got dropped by Warner Bros., ostensibly told that if Dave wasn't in the fold that WB wasn't gonna bother with any more new VH releases after VH3 sold way less than expected, the three new songs with Hagar weren't well received and got virtually nil for airplay, and their ticket sales and attendance were soft which isn't gonna make another round of guaranteed fees likely should Van Hagar tour again.....

....the Van Halens know what they need to do to make a killing and make rock fans happy at the same time. They just need to suck it up, accept Dave for who he is, and deal with it. Al needs to get behind the drums, keep his pie-hole shut and pound the skins. Mike needs to play bass and provide backing vocals. Dave and Ed need to come up with the tunes. Dave will handle the press. All proceeds split equally 4-ways. So fuckin' simple.

[canadiandlrgirl]

Originally posted by bueno bob
Eddie just needs a good god damn kick in the ass and that's all.

i'd aim more for the nuts!!!!!!!!he better be wearing a cup.......lol