Did Keyboards kill CVH?

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  • Dave's Bitch
    ROCKSTAR

    • Apr 2005
    • 5293

    #16
    key boards do rule,i meen JUMP,the best song ever,has alot of key board in it,JUMP IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I really love you baby, I love what you've got
    Let's get together we can, Get hot

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    • GAR
      Banned
      • Jan 2004
      • 10881

      #17
      Jump was lame when it first came out and people hated it, including me, because of the keyboards

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      • canadiandlrgirl
        Full Member Status

        • May 2005
        • 3616

        #18
        Originally posted by Redballjets88
        vai is better than evh
        EVH was better when Dave was fronting 'cause Dave braught out the best in Eddie.......when Dave left the magic was gone there goes the best fontman/guitarist duo in rock and then when spammy stepped up to the plate EVH was never the same i don't care what anybody sais sammy and Eddie just don't have the magic Dave and Eddie had just watch the US Festival and that's proof enough.

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        • canadiandlrgirl
          Full Member Status

          • May 2005
          • 3616

          #19
          Originally posted by GAR
          Jump was lame when it first came out and people hated it, including me, because of the keyboards
          until you watch the video

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          • DLRisGOD
            Roadie
            • Apr 2005
            • 162

            #20
            Keyboards are cool when used sparingly.

            Egos and Lethargy killed CVH though...

            A cryin' shame.
            Without DLR in the lineup, Van Halen is merely Rat Salade...

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            • Fabulous Shadow

              #21
              Hell NO. Everyone LOVED Jump. Roth leaving is what killed VH...

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              • jonnypop
                Roth Army Recruit
                • May 2004
                • 18

                #22
                weren't JUMP and I'LL WAIT the biggest hits/singles they had?

                on a related note, in I'LL WAIT was Dave singin about a girl in a advertisement for something? Has anyone seen/have a pic of this?

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                • m4dm4x
                  Groupie
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 58

                  #23
                  I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Val killed CVH. Love and marriage can drive a mans true friends away and he wouldn't even know it. That women would never let her Ed go on that road again with Dave for many reasons. Anyone married can related to what I'm say'n.
                  http://www.usedbin.com/rothisms_files/image004.jpg

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                  • canadiandlrgirl
                    Full Member Status

                    • May 2005
                    • 3616

                    #24
                    Originally posted by m4dm4x
                    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Val killed CVH. Love and marriage can drive a mans true friends away and he wouldn't even know it. That women would never let her Ed go on that road again with Dave for many reasons. Anyone married can related to what I'm say'n.
                    i also heard val wanted Dave first........but Dave didn't want nothing to do with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                    • spmusicplyr
                      Foot Soldier
                      • May 2004
                      • 738

                      #25
                      Originally posted by DlocRoth

                      Shit Skyscraper.... Dave wanted to use em, otherwise we'd have heard more from Vai, who's no slouch on the axe himself.

                      skyscraper was very very keyboard heavy....i think part of daves new band was so that he could have complete control. he produced it...so if he didnt want them, they wouldnt have been there...but they were...
                      so he couldnt have hated keys THAT much.......
                      Goin' crazy was really popish and keyboard heavy as well and that was only 2 years after jump
                      Got beef with my comments? Blow me!

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                      • EbDawson
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 1674

                        #26
                        Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
                        Vai is a great player, but he is not in the "rock" league that Eddie

                        was in before Sam turned him into a homo.

                        "If anyone came here hoping to hear Sammy Hagar Van Halen, there's the fucking door, man!" Ralph Saenz, Atomic Punks

                        "Carpe Mammarium"

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                        • ashstralia
                          ROTH ARMY ELITE
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 6566

                          #27
                          knowing that he'd have to do 'jump' live,

                          dave would've realised a keys player

                          would be a neccessary evil.

                          so he got one with a songwriting pedigree.

                          i met gregg once, had a good chat, he said brett was a

                          very talented and cool guy.

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                          • Terry
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 12222

                            #28
                            Dunno about that.

                            Don't think EVERYONE loved Jump, far as Halen fans who had been into the band prior to 1984 went, anyway. Jump and I'll Wait were never anything that great to me, keyboard-wise.

                            Nah, think it had more to do with personality clashes, and Ed wanting to assert himself more. Willing to bet Ed was tired of feeling like he was being told what to do by Ted, Dave and Noel. Seems like Dave and Ed always has a certain amount of tension to their relationship, and maybe Ed felt he wasn't getting enough of his ideas across, or didn't want to have to battle to get what he wanted on the albums....I mean, I definitely get the sense that Ed was pissed since Dave was doing virtually all the press for CVH, and maybe he just got tired of feeling like he was being led around, so building 5150 studios was a way of having some control, or whatever.

                            Even though 1984 isn't my favorite VH album, I don't really think that musical differences drove CVH apart. Seemed like there was plenty of creative juice left in that lineup (as 1996 demonstrated). Think it was just ego and a lack of being willing to compromise - this includes Dave as well.
                            Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                            • Matt White
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 20569

                              #29
                              Well, video killed the radio star..................

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                              • ThrillsNSpills
                                ROTH ARMY ELITE
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 6627

                                #30
                                All I know is after keys in that band we didn't get stuff like Fools, Light up the Sky, Romeo Delight, etc. Ed didn't inspire a generation of kids to play keyboards.
                                However, Ed said he came up with the Hear About it Later riff on keyboards. It's certainly possible to use keys in a ballsy rock context and not have it be a lame ballad.
                                It's also possible to do a slow tempo tune and have it be melodic and not cheesy (You See Me crying, Aerosmith,from TOYS)

                                It was lack of Roth in VH in my opinion

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