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Originally posted by zeronumber
Yeah, Sammy who does more, some how has less work ethic? Wtf?
How does that make any kind of sence?
Besides, look at trend here, Gary can't stay in a band...any band he joins or forms. He left extreme, he left that jazz band he made after extreme, He left van halen, and now he left tribe of judah.
The guy empashsis the word, "Quiter"
Oh, so your insight is suppose to override validated fact? I give you a link to a credible source, and you call it a "revisionist history", yet you think in your own mind the true reason why he left...please.
Gary left, because he's a quiter, He somehow thinks by forming new bands, he'll somehow suck less...
Besides, Gary was in VH for 3 years...poor record sales had little to nothing to do with Gary supposedly (by your logic anyway) getting pushed out.
Sorry, I've just been hanging around the roth army forums too long...lol..
It's not my fault some members here can't communicate outside the lines of sexual references and explatives...
But you get the point, they guy was an clown. He could have at least tried to make VH 3 worked, but the near thought of making a new alublm, he left.
To us Dave and Sammy fans, that came off as a good think in the end run, but even still, It boggles the mind how a guy who hasn't done anything past 1991, somehow thinks he's good enough to leave one of the best bands of all time out of creative differences, when frankly, he wasn't anything special.
Fair enough, but if anything, that solidifies my point, what does a political or religious ageneda ever fit into that of van halen?
Van halen was about having a good time, girls, cars, in and out of love...
Why then would you higher somebody who is religious?
Anyway, I don't want to criticize his singing, because he could sing very well. But his song writing sucks. Dave and Sam at least know how to right a somewhat cathy song. If there was one thing we should all get out of VH 3, is that it's never a smart Idea for either Gary, or Eddy to right songs.
Well, 2 tracks, those being "Without You", and "Ballot or the Bullet", because frankly, those are the only two songs with some amount of energy to them. And these songs rub off as "meh" quality material.
Hell, if you examine Dave or Sam's worst cds(which mind you doesn't mean they're bad, just not some of their best albulms), such as Women and children first, and 0u182, even their filler songs stand up to a better amount of quality then say what could be seen as two singles off of VH3.
I argue yes, mostly because Eddy/Alex/and Mike can make great instrumental tracks, and show off their great musicanship.
Where as with Gary(and some cases with Sam), VH had to bring it down a lot of notches to to fit songs.
Even still, most people will at least know who Sammy Hagar is, regardless if you mention Montrose, or Van Halen.
Known for what? Why don't you ask somebody who Gary Cherone is?
Most people don't even know (or care) about Gary Cherone, Extreme, or the fact that he at one point was a memeber of van halen.
Only real, hardcore fans would even know about Cherone being a singer in van halen,
Where as Sammy was known before hand as "The Red Rocker", writing hits such as "There's only one way to rock", and "I can't drive 55", and probably best known for taking dave's place from 1985 - 1996.
The majority of the music community, is under the agreement that between 1996 - 2004, van halen was on hiatus with sammy hagar, let alone doing work with Cherone.
Que?
Basis of Reality...let's see, I say that he left the band, and posted a link, yet you suggest he got fired, then latter interject that he wanted to leave because he was about to be kicked out. Exactly where is there any proof of this claim?
I said thinks like "VH3 never sold more than gold, where sam and dave never sold a record in vh that didn't go platinum"
If you want proof of this, go to www.van-halen.com And check for yourself.
You even go on to say that Sammy wasn't known for anythign prior to Van Halen...and act like cherone was...
You make it out like Gary Cherone was a vital asset to Van halen, and he's not flame worthy...
Look, Gary isn't hated by Sam or Dave fans...The Record didn't sell past gold, because Sam and Dave fans decided to not buy it out of protest...
VH3 sucked...because Gary Cherone's song writing sucks. The albulm, was just bad. You can put any spin on the situation....
The fact of the matter is, that if it was a good albulm, with good singles, it would have been successful...but guess what...It didn't!!!
That cd didn't even have 1 hit single. That's a Van halen first(and worst)
Commerical...perhaps not.
But the tour showed that VH can at least reunite, and make songs/albulms that people will buy. Like I said before, it only works with Dave or Sam.
By the way, out of the 3 new tracks, Each one of them is better than anything on Vh3...
Hell, the track "It's About Time", is hands down, better than every track on VH3, and do you know why?
Because unlike Gary, Sam can write a song, and write music.
Sam could play guitar too, which offers at least a good contribution to VH.
Same goes for Dave, Dave knows how to make a catchy, memorable song, and can take a moderately successful jazz song like "just a gigolo" and make it into a radio hit. Plus, Dave has to have the best Stage presence. Dave originated doing Karate on stage, and is still a great live performer...
What is Gary known for on stage?...seriously, I would like to know.
Yeah, Sammy who does more, some how has less work ethic? Wtf?
How does that make any kind of sence?
Besides, look at trend here, Gary can't stay in a band...any band he joins or forms. He left extreme, he left that jazz band he made after extreme, He left van halen, and now he left tribe of judah.
The guy empashsis the word, "Quiter"
Oh, so your insight is suppose to override validated fact? I give you a link to a credible source, and you call it a "revisionist history", yet you think in your own mind the true reason why he left...please.
Gary left, because he's a quiter, He somehow thinks by forming new bands, he'll somehow suck less...
Besides, Gary was in VH for 3 years...poor record sales had little to nothing to do with Gary supposedly (by your logic anyway) getting pushed out.
Sorry, I've just been hanging around the roth army forums too long...lol..
It's not my fault some members here can't communicate outside the lines of sexual references and explatives...
But you get the point, they guy was an clown. He could have at least tried to make VH 3 worked, but the near thought of making a new alublm, he left.
To us Dave and Sammy fans, that came off as a good think in the end run, but even still, It boggles the mind how a guy who hasn't done anything past 1991, somehow thinks he's good enough to leave one of the best bands of all time out of creative differences, when frankly, he wasn't anything special.
Fair enough, but if anything, that solidifies my point, what does a political or religious ageneda ever fit into that of van halen?
Van halen was about having a good time, girls, cars, in and out of love...
Why then would you higher somebody who is religious?
Anyway, I don't want to criticize his singing, because he could sing very well. But his song writing sucks. Dave and Sam at least know how to right a somewhat cathy song. If there was one thing we should all get out of VH 3, is that it's never a smart Idea for either Gary, or Eddy to right songs.
Well, 2 tracks, those being "Without You", and "Ballot or the Bullet", because frankly, those are the only two songs with some amount of energy to them. And these songs rub off as "meh" quality material.
Hell, if you examine Dave or Sam's worst cds(which mind you doesn't mean they're bad, just not some of their best albulms), such as Women and children first, and 0u182, even their filler songs stand up to a better amount of quality then say what could be seen as two singles off of VH3.
I argue yes, mostly because Eddy/Alex/and Mike can make great instrumental tracks, and show off their great musicanship.
Where as with Gary(and some cases with Sam), VH had to bring it down a lot of notches to to fit songs.
Even still, most people will at least know who Sammy Hagar is, regardless if you mention Montrose, or Van Halen.
Known for what? Why don't you ask somebody who Gary Cherone is?
Most people don't even know (or care) about Gary Cherone, Extreme, or the fact that he at one point was a memeber of van halen.
Only real, hardcore fans would even know about Cherone being a singer in van halen,
Where as Sammy was known before hand as "The Red Rocker", writing hits such as "There's only one way to rock", and "I can't drive 55", and probably best known for taking dave's place from 1985 - 1996.
The majority of the music community, is under the agreement that between 1996 - 2004, van halen was on hiatus with sammy hagar, let alone doing work with Cherone.
Que?
Basis of Reality...let's see, I say that he left the band, and posted a link, yet you suggest he got fired, then latter interject that he wanted to leave because he was about to be kicked out. Exactly where is there any proof of this claim?
I said thinks like "VH3 never sold more than gold, where sam and dave never sold a record in vh that didn't go platinum"
If you want proof of this, go to www.van-halen.com And check for yourself.
You even go on to say that Sammy wasn't known for anythign prior to Van Halen...and act like cherone was...
You make it out like Gary Cherone was a vital asset to Van halen, and he's not flame worthy...
Look, Gary isn't hated by Sam or Dave fans...The Record didn't sell past gold, because Sam and Dave fans decided to not buy it out of protest...
VH3 sucked...because Gary Cherone's song writing sucks. The albulm, was just bad. You can put any spin on the situation....
The fact of the matter is, that if it was a good albulm, with good singles, it would have been successful...but guess what...It didn't!!!
That cd didn't even have 1 hit single. That's a Van halen first(and worst)
Commerical...perhaps not.
But the tour showed that VH can at least reunite, and make songs/albulms that people will buy. Like I said before, it only works with Dave or Sam.
By the way, out of the 3 new tracks, Each one of them is better than anything on Vh3...
Hell, the track "It's About Time", is hands down, better than every track on VH3, and do you know why?
Because unlike Gary, Sam can write a song, and write music.
Sam could play guitar too, which offers at least a good contribution to VH.
Same goes for Dave, Dave knows how to make a catchy, memorable song, and can take a moderately successful jazz song like "just a gigolo" and make it into a radio hit. Plus, Dave has to have the best Stage presence. Dave originated doing Karate on stage, and is still a great live performer...
What is Gary known for on stage?...seriously, I would like to know.
So many untruths in your response that I really don't know where to start.
"Besides, look at trend here, Gary can't stay in a band...any band he joins or forms. He left extreme, he left that jazz band he made after extreme, He left van halen, and now he left tribe of judah."
Nuno left Extreme, that led to the band breakup. Can I not place that same quitter tag on Sam?. Sam was in Montrose, then solo, then van halen, then solo, then halen, then solo.
"Van halen was about having a good time, girls, cars, in and out of love...
Why then would you higher somebody who is religious?"
I don't know, ask Eddie. But the band stopped being about girls & cars a long time ago. Balance was an example of that. The band has matured and thought that Gary would be a good fit.
"Because unlike Gary, Sam can write a song, and write music.
Sam could play guitar too, which offers at least a good contribution to VH.
Same goes for Dave, Dave knows how to make a catchy, memorable song, and can take a moderately successful jazz song like "just a gigolo" and make it into a radio hit. Plus, Dave has to have the best Stage presence. Dave originated doing Karate on stage, and is still a great live performer."
When's the last time Sammy Hagar wrote a number 1 song? The answer is never. Gary has written a number one song.
"Look, Gary isn't hated by Sam or Dave fans...The Record didn't sell past gold, because Sam and Dave fans decided to not buy it out of protest...
The fact of the matter is, that if it was a good albulm, with good singles, it would have been successful...but guess what...It didn't!!!"
Which one is it? You completely contradicted yourself.
"That cd didn't even have 1 hit single. That's a Van halen first(and worst)"
Van Halen has had 1 number hit in their entire career, in 1984. The same amount as Gary Cherone & Extreme by the way.
"Where as Sammy was known before hand as "The Red Rocker", writing hits such as "There's only one way to rock", and "I can't drive 55", and probably best known for taking dave's place from 1985 - 1996."
Sammy wasn't very well known before he joined Halen. He's only known today because he was the lead singer of Halen for so long.
What is Gary known for on stage?...seriously, I would like to know"
Can you answer the same question in relation to Sammy. I would like to know.
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