media needs to redefine a thing or two

[bigc]

it is often stated that(quoting all music guide) Dave's solo career crashed after 2 albums and an EP,surely,shouldnt that be 3?

how could ALAE be considered a true failure?

It was certified gold in early april 1991, and according to a estimation made on the vhnd a few years back(due to the inception of soundscan in mid 1991), it had sold 330,000 copies since then. bringing it to AT LEAST 830,000. How in FUCKS name then is this a failure? Its not just all music,I've noticed many people refer to DLR's solo career as EEAS-Skyscraper, and thats it for success.

yet damned twat journalists also alledge Sammy Hagar had a revival as a popular solo artist after his 1996 split with Van Halen.

Marching to Mars sold 340,000, Red Voodoo 325,000. If thats a revival....then at least acknowledge ALAE was far from a failure

[LoungeMachine]

Re: media needs to redefine a thing or two

Originally posted by bigc
it is often stated that(quoting all music guide) Dave's solo career crashed after 2 albums and an EP,surely,shouldnt that be 3?

how could ALAE be considered a true failure?

It was certified gold in early april 1991, and according to a estimation made on the vhnd a few years back(due to the inception of soundscan in mid 1991), it had sold 330,000 copies since then. bringing it to AT LEAST 830,000. How in FUCKS name then is this a failure? Its not just all music,I've noticed many people refer to DLR's solo career as EEAS-Skyscraper, and thats it for success.

yet damned twat journalists also alledge Sammy Hagar had a revival as a popular solo artist after his 1996 split with Van Halen.

Marching to Mars sold 340,000, Red Voodoo 325,000. If thats a revival....then at least acknowledge ALAE was far from a failure

Damn, that biased, anti-Dave media


Get over it.

Critics are nothing more than frustrated rock stars who never learned to play more than 2 chords on their sister's nylon

Fuck 'em, and the horse they rode in on.


=BROTH=

[mewisemagic]

Re: Re: media needs to redefine a thing or two

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Damn, that biased, anti-Dave media


Get over it.

Critics are nothing more than frustrated rock stars who never learned to play more than 2 chords on their sister's nylon

Fuck 'em, and the horse they rode in on.


=BROTH=

Agreed 100%

[bigc]

true.

BUT...before people gain an informed opinion...they may take it as fact.

of course what they write means about as much to me as "Up For Breakfast",I just wanted to get that off my chest cos those tasteless twats shouldnt be writing such crap

[academic punk]

At the time, ALAE was considered a commercial failure.

Why? Because compared to the rest of his career, it went nowhere. ALAE was the first time that something that Dave was associated with failed to go platinum. And there was something of a backlash from his fan base after the "betrayal/sell-out" of Skyscraper, and the departures of Billy and Steve.

ALAE didn't really win any new fans state-side, it just sold to his base and that is not enough to sustain "commercial success".

Does Dave care? At the time, I'm sure he did. He was shifted to a WB subsidiary after that (Reprise), and then after his next album also failed to meet commercial expectations (YFLM), WB dropped him altogether. (and at this point, both of these albums are no longer in print in WB's catalog, so obviously the sales were weak)(Mind you, I'd buy it all over again tomorrow)

C'est la vie...

I'm sure Dave doesn't mind as much as I will when Lounge responds to this with an obligatory "turtle-fucker" joke.

Who wants to bet on it? :D

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by academic punk
At the time, ALAE was considered a commercial failure.

Why? Because compared to the rest of his career, it went nowhere. ALAE was the first time that something that Dave was associated with failed to go platinum. And there was something of a backlash from his fan base after the "betrayal/sell-out" of Skyscraper, and the departures of Billy and Steve.

ALAE didn't really win any new fans state-side, it just sold to his base and that is not enough to sustain "commercial success".

Does Dave care? At the time, I'm sure he did. He was shifted to a WB subsidiary after that (Reprise), and then after his next album also failed to meet commercial expectations (YFLM), WB dropped him altogether.

C'est la vie...

Blah, Blah, Blah........and then I fucked a turtle


Show off :D

[rustoffa]

Dave doesn't give a fuck what anyone thinks.

His simple, yet effective approach is a sieve of sorts. When employed with equal amounts of taste, intelligence, and gusto, the "don't give a fuck what anyone thinks" mantra will guide one through a slap-happy life devoid of dipshitedness.

The mantra becomes the sieve when people with no taste, low intelligence, and sandalsocks gusto employ it. This is not to say they "don't give a fuck". They don't. These people don't give a fuck about reading reviews. These people give a fuck about melted Velveeta and spoon-fed BUTTROCK™.

Critics don't aim for this demographic. They know all to well these fuckers will just belly up for breakfast and go with the flow. Their job is to annoy forward-thinking assholes that actually give a fuck what they think.

All that bullshit being typed, if one doesn't have enough taste, intelligence, and gusto instilled in their noggin to disregard a critical or numbers-based review.....

IT'S FIFTY-ONE-SHITTY TIME!!!!

[LoungeMachine]

'stoffa

The Voice of Reason nails it yet again......

[ without resorting to carnal knowledge of hardshell slowpokes]

[Big Fat Sammy]

Re: media needs to redefine a thing or two

Originally posted by bigc
I've noticed many people refer to DLR's solo career as EEAS-Skyscraper, and thats it for success.

THOSE people don't know what the fuck is up.

I would consider SUCCESS as something that has nothing to do with critics/journalists or anything in print for that matter.

Those folk are probably jacking off to the latest solo effort from the guy who sang in Matchbox 20...and never understanding MUSIC...never finding something that they truely get off on and enjoy.

...REAL music fans, like those who have posted above me...really don't care how many he sold...as long as it was at least the one that they are getting off on.

THAT is a successful artist IMO

[Terry]

Are we talking about the same media who erroneously and repeatedly asserts that Van Halen sold more records with Hagar than they did with Roth?

If you're looking at Dave's post-VH career in terms of units sold, then yes, he peaked with Skyscraper.

Have seen a few articles recently that don't even give Roth credit for EEAS and Skyscraper, beasically inferring that his entire solo career post-CVH was a commercial flop.

Personally, I could give a shit how many people bought ALAE, YFLM, DLRBand and Diamond Dave. With the exception of Diamond Dave (which hasn't really grown on me yet), I dig all of Dave's solo stuff. I like it, and that's all I need to know.

[bigc]

I understand all that.

its just...stupid fuckers are putting off casual fans..thats all.

I just mean....before I knew better, the media inference I was given of DLR at the moment was a washed up has been. That is so fucking far from the truth! I just mean, I hate other people to think that.

I'm trying my best to spread the DLR word.

[Terry]

Yeah, well, so what if the media thinks Roth is a washed up has-been? The Fourth Estate is a fucking joke anyway, IMO. This is the same establishment who colludes with record companies and movie studios in pathetic attempts to shove one talentless, pretty face after another down our throats.

Media never got it as far as Dave and CVH were concerned, anyway. Reminds me of a quote of the Diamond One's. Don't remember it word for word, but will paraphrase:

"The reason so many critics hate me and love Elvis Costello is because most of the critics look like Elvis Costello."

[academic punk]

Originally posted by Terry
Yeah, well, so what if the media thinks Roth is a washed up has-been? The Fourth Estate is a fucking joke anyway, IMO. This is the same establishment who colludes with record companies and movie studios in pathetic attempts to shove one talentless, pretty face after another down our throats.

Media never got it as far as Dave and CVH were concerned, anyway. Reminds me of a quote of the Diamond One's. Don't remember it word for word, but will paraphrase:

"The reason so many critics hate me and love Elvis Costello is because most of the critics look like Elvis Costello."

One of my fave Dave quotes of all time, and your previous paragraph hits the point: even when Dave was in VH, they were scoffed at by the critics.

Give it time. In the rearview mirror, the critics tend to get it right; if only b/c todays critics are yesterdays teenagers, the same ones who were rocking out to WACF and EEAS back in the day.