Why Ozzy had sucess after he left a big band and Dave didn't?

[bigc]

well in his book,doesnt he imply he lost alot of passion after Becker?

and who can blame him. We change, we want to do different things.

shame he rocks so much at being a rockstar though,and seems to prefer to be much more experimental. kudos to him,but the public are far too close minded to appreicate it(well, add to the fact some of the time it is somewhat subpar, you dont get a good combination)

We still have 9 KILLER albums featuring DLR tho(the 6 pack,EEAS,ALAE,DLR Band).

Sometimes though, I wish he'd released ALAE when he released Skyscraper. ALAE deserved to go platinum far more than synthscraper.

[thefive]

Originally posted by Rebel
Pretty simple:

1. Randy Rhoads
2. Zakk Wylde

If Dave had two guitarists like that working with him, he woulda been just as big in the late eighties and nineties, no doubt about it. Steve Vai is a great guitar player and all, but never impressed me much as a songwriter.

I totally agree with this one. Like I said it was mainly the guitarists subject. I think one of Ozzy's guitarists toured on the ALAE tour with Dave. John Holmes. Dave need great guitarists and a great manager that marketed him.

Vai and Sheehan both were bothered by the band name. David Lee Roth. That is why they quit. If I was Dave's guitarists I would never quit. Jason would have never quit. He told all his friends I going to play with Dave and all his friends thought he was crazy.

Then the marketing. Then always the long vacations.

Vai and Sheehan had too many thoughts about other solo projects.
Who in the hell would leave Dave for a band called Mr. Big. What a joke.

I have to repeat man too long of a vacation between alae and yflm.

And I dont know about this Brian Young. I am a fan of his. I went to a lot of atomic punk shows. But can he write music?


She agrees with me.

[thefive]

Who are some of the hot young guitarists these days that just shred?
Dave needs to get in touch with them, How do you guys feel abuot Jason's friend Marty forgot his last name.


the photos I post is to make the post more enjoyable.

[tjvhou812]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
hey zero there is a new forum you should visit...and it's mod is the mighty Rikkster....

We would be happy to have in their...

Zero get your ass back in the pen

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by fe_lung
After about '92 there wasn't much push in the music biz for performers like Dave. The whole grunge/alt. rock thing changed the industry for about a decade. The industry was pushing guys like Vedder, Stipe, and Cobain.

Dave certainly isn't the only arena sized frontman to take a dive in the 90's. Springsteen was marginalized, as was U2 (after about '94), Ozzy, Bowie, Prince, Motley Crue, Van Hagar, the list goes on and on. If you were a big name in the 80's you were an pretty much an instant has-been in '92.

Hopefully, that's starting to swing back the other way. Perhaps Dave will have a career re-charge like Ozzy, Motley, Duran Duran, Springsteen, etc.

Nah, it was even earlier. Hair bands would enjoy success for a while still, but I sensed this clearly changing in high school around 87-89' with the advent of REM and "college radio" which really kicked off the grunge thing. I'd say by 1990, it was difficult for 80's acts to sustain themselves.

VAN HAGAR shows what bandwagon hoppers they became when they pitched the keyboards, after adopting the sappy 80's luvy-dovy cheese trend of JOURNEY, STYX, REO SPEEDWAGON, FOREIGNER, etc., and tried to again become a rock band with more "political credentials" on the F.U.C.K. album. The result is an underperforming borefest of shitty lyrics and SAM displaying his subpar IQ over some semi-decent beginnings of a song. They're almost like studio tracks still in production that may have been great with DAVE doing the directing/singing/lyrics/harmonies.

[DLR'sCock]

Well Ozzy had Bob Daisley to write ALL of his lyrics up to and incuding No More Tears, and he had Randy and Bob write the music for the first two albums, and Jake and Bob to write the music for the next two, then Zakk and Bob to write the music for the next two....



Do you see a pattern here, and to think that CUNT Sharon edited Bob and Lee Kerslake out of the first two abums....



People don't realize how much Bod Daisley is responsible for Ozzy's career...and the yfucked him over hard, and he kinda let the mdo it too....


Oh and Ozzy had that cunt Sharon to back stab and strong arm everyone that was ever involved....except maybe Zakk....

[Brett]

Pretty simple, Randy Rhoads is a brilliant guitar player, fits in better to a band than Vai ever will, and writes better rock and roll riffs. Ozzy's been living off of Randy's dead memory for years. Simple as that.

I think Jake E. Lee is a great player, go listen to Badlands if you need to be convinced. An indredibly underappreciated band.

And Zakk Wylde is also a great player, I don't how anyone can slag that guy. He can shred, he writes he heavy chops, he has great tone.

But IMO Ozzy always made it on Randy Rhoads' legend. He's been beating it to death for years.

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Brett
Pretty simple, Randy Rhoads is a brilliant guitar player, fits in better to a band than Vai ever will, and writes better rock and roll riffs. Ozzy's been living off of Randy's dead memory for years. Simple as that.

I think Jake E. Lee is a great player, go listen to Badlands if you need to be convinced. An indredibly underappreciated band.

And Zakk Wylde is also a great player, I don't how anyone can slag that guy. He can shred, he writes he heavy chops, he has great tone.

But IMO Ozzy always made it on Randy Rhoads' legend. He's been beating it to death for years.

I agree on all points Brett, but the key ingredient missing here is Bob Daisley writing all of the lyrics up to No More Tears, and co-writing the music with each of these guitarists up to No More Tears.....



Ozzy's main input was always technically "music", Ozzy for the most part wrote his own vocal melody lines, which to me, a vocal melody is music.....

[Brett]

Yep and I don't diminish Ozzy's contributions as musician because he'd didn't write all his lyrics or the instrumental music. You still gotta perform it, you still gotta sing a melody and make it work. A lot of time that is the hardest part of creating a great song. A good vocal.

I just think Ozzy was really able to stick around (pre all that reality show crap) because of Randy Rhoads' legend and his tragic demise. And Ozzy even knows this, he has put out a Randy tribute, speaks well of him whenever he can. He and Sharon and not dummies.

[bigc]

screwed Bob though

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Brett
Yep and I don't diminish Ozzy's contributions as musician because he'd didn't write all his lyrics or the instrumental music. You still gotta perform it, you still gotta sing a melody and make it work. A lot of time that is the hardest part of creating a great song. A good vocal.

I just think Ozzy was really able to stick around (pre all that reality show crap) because of Randy Rhoads' legend and his tragic demise. And Ozzy even knows this, he has put out a Randy tribute, speaks well of him whenever he can. He and Sharon and not dummies.

Well yeah, that definately has added quite a bit, you get the mystique/dead legend factor in there.....

[5150Clown]

I think it was all about timing. Oz came at the dawn of 80's metal. Dave started solo right at the end.

[YoureAllGhey]

Because Ozzy did'nt suck.

[Golden AWe]

Originally posted by YoureAllGhey
Because Ozzy did'nt suck.

WOW. The troll is still around. What happened to all the threads you started :p

[YoureAllGhey]

Originally posted by Golden AWe
WOW. The troll is still around. What happened to all the threads you started :p

I don't know. I'm trying to live in the present. You know, that time that Roth has'nt had anything good going for him since 1985.