Dave and Rock and Roll sales

[edvanheineken]

Artist / Title / USA Sales To Date
Styx - Big Bang Theory - 42,855 (Still a recent release and selling) Cyclorama - 56,017 Brave New World - 73,428
Dokken - Hell To Pay - 15,739 Long Way Home - 21,141 Shadowlife - 51,140
Bon Jovi - Crush - 1,994,800 Bounce - 712,971 100 Million Fans Can't Be Wrong - 104,975 This Left Feels Right - 424,489 One Wild Night - Live 1985-2001 - 521,969
Van Halen - III - 513,921 For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - 2,950,337 The Best Of Both Worlds - 568,170
Sammy Hagar - The Essential Red Collection - 91,423
David Lee Roth - Diamond Dave - 15,676
Iommi w/ Glenn Hughes - The DEP Sessions - 6,420
Iommi - Fused - 4,976 (Only just released)
W.A.S.P. - Neon God Part I - 17,014 Neon God Part 2 - 8438
MSG - Arachnophobiac - 6,213 Heavy Hitters - 567 (Just released)
Kevin Dubrow - In For The Kill - 981
Pretty Boy Floyd - Size Really Does Matter - 795
Twisted Sister - Still Hungry - 13,334
Bang Tango - Ready To Go - 1,615
Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere - 38,344
Bryan Adams - Room Service - 27,402
John Waite - The Hard Way - 5,721
L.A. Guns - Rips The Covers Off - 3,594
Dio - Master of the Moon - 25,777
Motley Crue - Red White & Crue - 399,741
Megadeth - The System Has Failed - 161,229
38 Special - Drivetrain - 13,341
Asia - Silent Nation - 5,558
Heart - Jupiter's Darling - 73,394
Brides Of Destruction - Here Come The Brides - 41,018
Gene Simmons - Asshole - 33,445
Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will - 847,338
Velvet Revolver - Contraband - 1,783,565
Scorpions - Unbreakable - 36,139
Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls - 16,385
Billy Idol - Devil's Playground - 81,225
Various Artists - VH1 Metal Mania Stripped - 57,576
Hall And Oates - Our Kind Of Soul - 105,516
Tsar - Tsar 5,109 Band Girls Money - 1,099 (Just released)
Frickin A - Big Egos...No Ideas - 8,703 (Jessie's Girl single - 17,622!)
Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal - 44,101

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Aside from a few select groups like VR, old rockers are dead! DLR sold 15K copies of his last album. Billy Idol has a great new album out and it has sold 80k copies. Basically, unless you are a U2, your relevance in the music world is very short lived. Your only hope in music is that you bang out a bunch of awesome albums and then make a living out of touring them for 30 years. Look at the Stones. What was their last great album and when was it released. No one buys any of their shit anymore unless it's a greatest hits repackage. Dave sure has done a number on himself. He should have a musical cache due to his 6 albums with VH alone. How he has managed to become a commercial failure is a complex issue. No one should sink so low from such heights. However, as we know, it is not hard to fuck things up. Yeah, the old "Nirvana killed old rock" is partially true, but how do you explain acts like U2 being able to survive the 80s, 90s and today's music scene? Their brilliant, that's how. Dave beat the shit out of his rap and image. His solo music, IMO, has a great deal of merit. Most of it is at least above average. Honestly, though, what could he possibly do now to change his outlook at 50? If he were to start playing lots of awesome solo Dave at his concerts, he'd probably get booed off stage. As far as putting out an awesome rocking album, hi did do that. The DLR band album had crap production, but lots of attitude and great songs. Hardly anyone bought it. Dave probably figured that covers was the way to go in 03. Well, look above for the startling results. Really, I think it's over for Dave as a solo act. Not that I don't believe in his ability to put out more great music, but because albums have to sell in order for a musician to carry on. Dave just can't do that any longer. It's either the radio gig or a far fetched CVH tour. The man can't even pull in 2,000 people into clubs anymore. He's reduced to rib fests. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to play rib fests. However, we are talking about a former VH singer and arguably one of the greatest frontmen in the history of R&R. Give me your thoughts.

[Warham]

I thought the radio gig was a good idea.

[rustoffa]

Jimminy fucking crickets.

The Diamond Dave album was never intended to be a commercial success....neither was DLR Band. IMO, the last record full of good intentions was ALAE.

*NEWSFLASH*
Dave Roth is somewhat of an eccentric motherfucker. He's probably not checking the balance when he hits an ATM either. He does what he wants to do and I promise you.....I FUCKING PROMISE YOU, he could care less about perceived viability.

There he is....Mr. Happy Go Lucky. Fuck, never mind...he just logged out.

[Warham]

I'm actually kind of surprised by some of those low numbers.

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by Warham
I'm actually kind of surprised by some of those low numbers.

:D

Kevin Dubrow can't afford a new wig.

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
Jimminy fucking crickets.

The Diamond Dave album was never intended to be a commercial success....neither was DLR Band. IMO, the last record full of good intentions was ALAE.

*NEWSFLASH*
Dave Roth is somewhat of an eccentric motherfucker. He's probably not checking the balance when he hits an ATM either. He does what he wants to do and I promise you.....I FUCKING PROMISE YOU, he could care less about perceived viability.

There he is....Mr. Happy Go Lucky. Fuck, never mind...he just logged out.

I disagree! If Dave doesn't give a shit if he sells a dozen copies, then why the fuck did he go to Europe to get the album pushed over there. Did you listen to his radio gig in Boston? He is not as fucked in the head as some would believe. A bit of a misconception IMO. BTW, the festival shit is clearly a way to blast into the past when he'd play loaded stadiums. Come on dude! No one puts on a production like the one on the "Diamond Dave" cd for shits and giggles. Even if that's what Dave feels, think about the suits that put out the fucking thing! Do you think they'd like to sell a few more to recoup the money? FUCK YEAH!

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
:D

Kevin Dubrow can't afford a new wig.

Bwahahaahhhaa! Jesus! 981 copies????

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
I disagree! If Dave doesn't give a shit if he sells a dozen copies, then why the fuck did he go to Europe to get the album pushed over there. Did you listen to his radio gig in Boston? He is not as fucked in the head as some would believe. A bit of a misconception IMO. BTW, the festival shit is clearly a way to blast into the past when he'd play loaded stadiums. Come on dude! No one puts on a production like the one on the "Diamond Dave" cd for shits and giggles. Even if that's what Dave feels, think about the suits that put out the fucking thing! Do you think they'd like to sell a few more to recoup the money? FUCK YEAH!

The dudes @ Magna Carta probably wear t-shirts.


The shits and giggles thing?

That's actually probably a major factor.

[edvanheineken]

Originally posted by rustoffa
The dudes @ Magna Carta probably wear t-shirts.


The shits and giggles thing?

That's actually probably a major factor.

Actually, the t-shirts thing is pretty funny rust! Good one! Hey, only Dave knows what Dave thinks. Common though, don't ya think he'd like to taste at least gold again?

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by edvanheineken
Actually, the t-shirts thing is pretty funny rust! Good one! Hey, only Dave knows what Dave thinks. Common though, don't ya think he'd like to taste at least gold again?

I dunno if he's willing to compromise.....regarding what tasting gold would entail.

So basically, what would seem to be his ridgid, mid-life rule book kinda slams the door on gettin' back some bullets.

Fuck, I have no idea dude....ask one of the musicians around here.

[Warham]

Is 981 copies breaking even?

:D

[Terry]

Far as my own tastes are concerned, the amount of copies a release sells has little to do with its 'musical relevance'. If I like what I'm hearing, doesn't really matter to me if 15 other people bought it or 15 million.

Amount of units moved has a direct correlation with commercial relevance, but since I neither work for nor own stock in any major or indie record labels, I could really give a shit.

U2 has managed to keep selling a lot of records throughout the years, while the majority of artists who had careers in the 1980s and are still active today aren't. Ok. Pretty much....um...so what? Good for U2, and good for you if you're a U2 fan.

Why isn't Dave still selling a lot of records now? Think a good portion of it has to do with people associating him with CVH to the exclusion of everything else. In the end, that's what he's always gonna be remembered for abive all else to the public at large. How many people who were into hard rock in the 1980s (when they were in their teens and early twenties) are even listening to it or going to concerts anymore? People get older, get families, get other priorities. Am sure to many of today's young record buyers, Roth is just a relic in their eyes. The main record buying demo wasn't even BORN when CVH were still together.

A slight part of it has to due with availability. Both the DLR Band and Diamond Dave didn't have a huge media promotional blitz and hundereds of thousands of copies shipped around the country available for purchase. There are plenty of record stores that don't even HAVE a section of their CD's reserved for only Roth solo releases. You can't easily find the stuff anymore.

There's only a few dozen groups/artists out of the thousands upon of thousands who have released records since rock came to the fore that are among the greats. And not every record U2 put out was a smash, either (plenty of copies of Pop to be found in Bargain Bins. Same goes for Zep's Presence. Does that make them shitty albums?). Virtually nobody remains commercially hot forever.

[Shredking]

Re: Dave and Rock and Roll sales

Originally posted by edvanheineken
Artist / Title / USA Sales To Date
Styx - Big Bang Theory - 42,855 (Still a recent release and selling) Cyclorama - 56,017 Brave New World - 73,428
Dokken - Hell To Pay - 15,739 Long Way Home - 21,141 Shadowlife - 51,140
Bon Jovi - Crush - 1,994,800 Bounce - 712,971 100 Million Fans Can't Be Wrong - 104,975 This Left Feels Right - 424,489 One Wild Night -

These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music.

[bueno bob]

Re: Re: Dave and Rock and Roll sales

Originally posted by Shredking
These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

There's an intact fan base, obviously. How many albums have YOU sold lately, dipshit?

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music.

What would you suggest? I'm curious as to what you're in to.

[rustoffa]

Re: Re: Dave and Rock and Roll sales

Originally posted by Shredking
These stats are proof that a million people CAN be wrong.

What kind of sad bastard buys cookie-cutter shit like this anymore? They need to get rid of the spandex and leather waistcoats and start listening to grown-up music.

Keep it on topic. Are you a sizemotologist?