Van Hagar sucked Big Time, but why did it sell from 86 to 95?

[Bill Lumbergh]

Sorry, my wife and I have been fighting, and all my wit was drained for a moment. Carry on defending "Amsterdam"...........

[DavidLeeNatra]

Originally posted by Brett
Meanwhile VH was touring with Metallica (when they were actually a viable metal band), Alice and Chains, shit even the Scorpions.

was that before or after they became bon jovi's opening act?

[Adam Sandler]

Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra
was that before or after they became bon jovi's opening act?

Ain't that the truth!

[Antman]

Why did Van Hagar sell so many albums? Look who else sold millions, went #1 and sold out tours during that time: New Kids on the Block, Tiffany, MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Warrant, Backstreet Boys, etc. Just because they sell albums and tickets, doesn't mean they're worth their weight in shit.

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Brett
Nick, there is so much delusional shit in that post, I don't know where to start. But I'm trying to enjoy my holiday weekend. I'll get back to you Tuesday with a full rebuttle.

Say what you want, but Van Halen never went on stage at the Super Bowl like a bunch of primped-up make-up clad 50-year old faggots ruining their music with duets with Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

That's true. If there's a band I currently dislike more than Van Ha___ post Roth, it'd probably be Aerosmith post 1980. That's just personal opinion, of course...I don't like anything Aerosmith did after "Greatest Hits", for the most part.

I DID, however, go see them live on the "Get a Grip" tour, and with the exception of the material from 1987 and up, they kicked ass and put on a great show, I will say that. Maybe they stepped it up a bit for the tour, I don't know, but Steven Tyler mostly kept his mouth shut and they belted out one classic Aerosmith tune after another, for the most part. Was a good show. Maybe they stepped it up a bit, I don't know...Pride and Glory (Zakk Wylde's old thing) opened and really kicked a lot of ass, so maybe they felt threatened...

And they certainly never cheesed up classic VH by playing it with the Boston Pops.

I don't think the Boston Pops moment was cheesy, personally. Just thought it was fun.

But what Van Hagar DID do with the classic VH catalog was to completely fucking ignore it, sans 3, maybe 4 songs per night tops. Cherone did show a lot of improvement in that regards, though.

So which is really the bigger sin, to present the 2 songs for one night in a way that some people thought was cheesy or to almost completely ignore it for the better part of 10 years?

That was an ultra-retarded moment in Dave's career, I don't give a shit who tries to defend that nonsense.

OK, but I'm sticking to my guns that Van Hagar's ignoring the Roth catalog was 10 years+ of utter bullshit and a total disservice to the fans.

Say what you want about Gary Cherone, but he actually had repsect for the music he was playing, and did a good job live in an unwinable situation.

I'm inclined to agree with that. He did the best he was able with what he had and got Ed, Mike and Al playing material on stage that had been totally forgotten about for FAR too long due to the politics of Sammy Hagar, and for that he deserves at least a passing nod of respect.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Brett
Nick, there is so much delusional shit in that post, I don't know where to start. But I'm trying to enjoy my holiday weekend. I'll get back to you Tuesday with a full rebuttle.

Say what you want, but Van Halen never went on stage at the Super Bowl like a bunch of primped-up make-up clad 50-year old faggots ruining their music with duets with Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

And they certainly never cheesed up classic VH by playing it with the Boston Pops. That was an ultra-retarded moment in Dave's career, I don't give a shit who tries to defend that nonsense. Say what you want about Gary Cherone, but he actually had repsect for the music he was playing, and did a good job live in an unwinable situation.

Good BRETT, I'll be waiting with baited breath for your rebuttal on how much greater "When It's Love" is than that Armeggedon soundtrack song, or "Angel."

[Dave IS VH]

The people who bought the Van Hagar albums wore women from the age of 25-45 and teenie boppers. The Women bought it for the "I LOVE YOU" lyrics and soft rock, and the kids bought it because of other kids and friends buying it. Look at some of the shit out there today, like the Briteny Spears and other of today's crap, there friend's buy it and it's the "so called in thing", so they must buy it as well, even thought deep inside they may hate the music or the performer.

[Adam Sandler]

Sammy Hagar, the opprobrium one who ruined van halen! Nuff said.

[audiospectrum]

Originally posted by zeronumber
Easy, You state something like "Sales don't mean shit" or "Quailty over Quantity". That usually fairs well whenver you try to excuse something that sells bad.

Like

YFLM
Nintendo Gamecube,
TNA wrestling's buy rates for ppv's.
God Father 3
etc.

Listen dude I'm just sick of you bagging YFLM. It only sold terribly because it went over most people's heads. The collective world consciousness is being dumbed down by many factors, and Dave continued and continues to rise above it. The aftermath is that many people just don't understand smart, witty music that you find new realizations for 10 years after the fact. Obviously you aren't experienced enough to understand what YFLM really means. How much you are missing out.

Originally posted by Brett
Dave's sales went into the shitter too (and way further than VH), as did most of the genre. You guys talk like...Wow just VH's sales went down. Sales for that generation of metal all died off after GNR's Appetite for Destruction. Compare the sales of their follow-ups to Appetite. The Illusion albums were hyped to hell (and they were decent records), and together they don't equal Appetite in sales. And there was no bigger metal band at that time than GNR.

Grunge came and took over, the only traditional metal band to survive with stronger sales was Metallica. The fact that VH was still selling 3 million albums in 1995 and still charting #1 says something. What was Dave doing by then? Vegas. Enough fucking said.

I'd like to know who the fuck was buying into that embarrassment, that's what I want to know. Talk about a low point for anybody's career. Thank god Dave woke the fuck up for 5 minutes and did DLR Band after the '96 debacle. Doing that cheesefest Vegas thing is every bit as bad as you guys whining about VH cheese ballads.

Disagree, I don't at all think Dave's Vegas venture was an embarassment. Maybe to people who don't know any better. It's all about life attitude, and Dave has it in abundance. It is this reason why CVH has stood the test of time (as well as King Ed's fingers), and it's the reason why Dave has so much respect on this wonderful site. The difference was that Dave went with his heart and always did what he wanted, even if he lost money or mainstream appeal. Ed did what other people wanted, whatever it took to nab a number 1 album/single and fame.

Originally posted by Matt White

The original CLASSIC VAN HALEN fans? Got into G'N'R & other HARD ROCK bands. van hagar created cookie-cutter music for a segment of the musical buying public who wanted to grab onto the last of the 80's hard rock giants...only when said giant had watered down their music, image, & lyrics to suit their new fans dull taste...Which is why so many "van hagar SHEEP" dislike DAVE's lyrics....the lyrics go right over their heads.

And EVH? Heard him live in '85 & '88.....drunk & spinning his wheels.....
No new cool instrumentals, no new ground breaking techniques, & no new inspired recorded solos........lets face it: EVH hasn't done anything "Bold & Innovative" in 2 decades....by his own admission he hung up the "gunslinger" attitude a long time ago to concentrate on song writing......and we've seen what kind of songs he wrote........

Very true, I got into Van Halen in the first place because of Ed Van Halen. Without seeing any pics of him, without knowing anything except the music, I was blown away by what came into my ears. Unfortunately when I started to piece together the albums and what not, I realized that all the guitar I liked was from the early days, or when Dave was in the band. He brings out the best in Ed, he challenges him to 'play with truth and fury'. Sammy just worships Ed and tells him what he wants to hear. That's what I hear in the Van Hagar albums. They suck, no matter how many albums they sold.

[firestarter]

dave was an inspiration to ed!! something that can never happen again. no one can inspire evh these days...he became the boss with a huge ego once DLR left VH.

[Polk High]

didn't roth outsell hagar?

[light 'em up!]

Van Hagar sucked Big Time, but why did it sell from 86 to 95?

That's easy... the name Van Halen. David Lee Roth named the band and helped immortalize the name. Sammy road Dave's coat tails from day 1.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by Brett

Meanwhile VH was touring with Metallica (when they were actually a viable metal band), Alice and Chains, shit even the Scorpions. So where's the list of cheese metal VH with Sam toured with? Oh...Dokken? Oh yeah, hardcore glam.

Oh yeah. How could I forget.

Metallica blowing Van Hagar off the stage in '88 (Monsters of Rock).

Say what you want about Metallica now (I think they're shit too), but back in '88, they fucking rocked.

And when Van Hagar played a set that included such gems like "Why Can't this be Love", "Mine All Mine", "When Its Love", and so on while Metallica played "One", "Master of Puppets", "Fade to Black", etc --- its no wonder they blew silly Sammy and the sisters off the stage.

[Brett]

So what's your point VV? Metallica was blowing most acts off the stage in 1988.

Did you see the tour?

[Jimmy Jingles]

Originally posted by Brett
So what's your point VV? Metallica was blowing most acts off the stage in 1988.

Did you see the tour?

Didn't Metallica cover songs everynight onstage from every act on the bill during that tour? That was classic! Man they fucking rocked back then.