Why is Van Hagar getting all these deluxe releases and not CVH?

[Vinnie Velvet]

Just saw at the VHND, Balance is getting the deluxe treatment with some live tracks, booklet, supposedly some rarities or unreleased tracks.

Before that it was FUCK who had the expanded release.

But why these and not CVH?
expanded editions of the six pack surely would sell better than lame Van Hagar.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Who owns the copyrights of Van Hagar? Hagar, Alex, Wolfatgang by inheritance (not sure for Anthony).
CVH rights are owned by Al, Dave and Eddie's disgraceful son. I imagine it's the latter's fault if nothing is coming out.
He seems to have more interest in Hagar's side. Go figure why the fuck.
I don't really know, just trying to figure it out.
Anyway, it's a pain in the ass to see those releases while nothing is done on the right side.

[FORD]

It's funny that Al has made public statements about how he doesn't consider the Van Hagar lineup to be the real Van Halen, and didn't miss playing that music at all when he was doing the last three Van Halen tours with Dave & Wolfie.

But he seems to love fleecing the sheep with all these recent remasters, doesn't he? First they "remastered" the entire Van Hagar catalog, with no "new" material, though they collected all the B-sides on one "bonus" disk. Then the FUCK "super deluxe", and now Balance... which to me always sounded like "FUCK outtakes" the first time around anyway. "Seventh Seal" was "Poundcake Part II" and so on...

If Al wanted to do something at least remotely interesting with the Hagar catalog, he could always rerecord his drum parts on 5150 with REAL drums. I might actually listen to that. Especially if he released an instrumental version.

[FORD]

So apparently there's a vinyl release and a CD release. The Vinyl is "2 discs", except there's only 2 songs on Side 3 and blank Side 4 with "etchings"

Disc two of the CD version is as follows

CD Two
1. “Crossing Over”
2. “Humans Being”
3. “Respect The Wind”

Live At Wembley Stadium, London, England (June 24, 1995)
4. “The Seventh Seal” *
5. “Feelin’” *
6. “Ain’t Talkin’ ‘Bout Love” *
7. Guitar Solo *
8. “You Really Got Me” *
9. “When It’s Love” *
10. “Jump” *
11. “Right Now” *

So in other words, a "B-side" that was already released on last years box set, and the two songs from the "Twister" soundtrack. Along with a short live set.

Why is is short? Because this is the tour where Van Hagar was reduced to an opening act for fucking BON JOVI.

Now why would they want to remind the sheep of that particular indignity??

[Terry]

In a way, I'm kind of glad.

The caveat being the presumption that all of the things I'm going to mention are things the Van Halens retained licensing control of - things they COULD have signed off on in terms of a release but simply chose not to.

Stuff like ...shit. Back in the mid 1990's when I stumbled across Van Halen's full length 1983 US Festival set on a vhs bootleg for sale in a locally owned mom n pop record store for $25 or whatever it was. First time I'd ever had the chance to see the entire set I'd read so much about in the teen music mags (Creem, Circus, etc.) back in 1983. Few years later, started trading copies of that to various people online and got Van Halen in Argentina in 1983. Then Van Halen in Brazil in 1983. Then Van Halen in Montreal in 1984. Then audio cd boots of Van Halen in LA in 1981. Van Halen at Magic Mountain in 1977. And on and on.

And even through now, where over the years things like the outtakes for the Jump and Panama video shoots were thrown up online. And Donington in 1984. And studio jams from the CVH era that didn't have vocals. Or the Zero/Simmons demos.

It's like, were it the case that the Van Halens had access to all that stuff and could have put it out there circa 1996 through, say, 2015 or whenever people were still buying cds and dvds but just chose not to because they didn't want to, well ...fuck 'em.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bootlegging deprives artists of revenue. Bands don't want unauthorized live stuff out there (probably because they can't take the stuff and then head back into the studio post-performance and overdub the shit out of it and fix all of the mistakes and bum notes). Well, too fuckin' bad. Because I'm just a fan. I'd have been MORE than willing to pay for official releases of that stuff. But, instead, I got it via bootlegs.

The net effect being I don't even NEED deluxe versions of the CVH albums. Because all that stuff that would have made those deluxe CVH albums special is already out there. For free.

Let the Waboritas rub one out to the new edition of Balance. I'll stick with the 6 pack and my shit ton of boots.

[Mushroom]

I hope it's something as simple as Van Hagar is easier to collate. CVH has much more material so it will take more time. Holding out for 50th anniversary VH I

[ZahZoo]

Most likely Warner Brothers is driving this as a revenue generator and someone convinced Al it was worthy. Plus the Hagar material never quite got any refreshes/remixes/etc. like the Roth catalog has over the years.

My opinion... this new release stuff with Hagar is a waste of time/money. What's really left to improve on with the Roth VH catalog..? It stands fine on it's own!

There was a box set fully ready for release with a bunch of Sunset Studio outtakes for the Roth era... it was pitched to the band before or shortly after... don't recall... Ed died and they chose not to proceed. Maybe that will be revisited sometime within our lifetime...

[78/84 guy]

Most likely Warner Brothers is driving this as a revenue generator and someone convinced Al it was worthy. Plus the Hagar material never quite got any refreshes/remixes/etc. like the Roth catalog has over the years.

My opinion... this new release stuff with Hagar is a waste of time/money. What's really left to improve on with the Roth VH catalog..? It stands fine on it's own!

There was a box set fully ready for release with a bunch of Sunset Studio outtakes for the Roth era... it was pitched to the band before or shortly after... don't recall... Ed died and they chose not to proceed. Maybe that will be revisited sometime within our lifetime...

You can buy a bootleg copy of those sunset outakes on Ebay. Called the Ted Templeman Demos & outtakes 1977-1983. 3 discs.

[Terry]

Most likely Warner Brothers is driving this as a revenue generator and someone convinced Al it was worthy. Plus the Hagar material never quite got any refreshes/remixes/etc. like the Roth catalog has over the years.

My opinion... this new release stuff with Hagar is a waste of time/money. What's really left to improve on with the Roth VH catalog..? It stands fine on it's own!

There was a box set fully ready for release with a bunch of Sunset Studio outtakes for the Roth era... it was pitched to the band before or shortly after... don't recall... Ed died and they chose not to proceed. Maybe that will be revisited sometime within our lifetime...

I do remember there was some kind of CVH-related box set that was being worked on. As you say, it was either right before or right after Ed died (I seem to recall it was in 2019 that I read about it via a thread on this site, although maybe it wasn't 2019). And then nothing came of it.

I also seem to remember there were rumors in the latter half of 2018 - again, that I read though whatever thread on this site - that were initally posted on ...was it the VHND? Or Blabbermouth? Was Blabbermouth even still a thing in 2018? Anyway, the rumors about some all inclusive or semi all inclusive all (or almost) eras Van Halen tour in the works for 2019. I think a year or two after Eddie died MIke Anthony confirmed that he was approached by Irving Azoff (or one of Azoff's assistants) by email. Or maybe it was Michael Anthony's agent/manager who was approached by one of Azoff's staff to see if Anthony would be interested in participating in some capacity in a reunion tour with Van Halen. But then Anthony never heard anything beyond that.

Much like that CVH box set, that whole rumor mill surrounding that hypothetical whatever with Michael Anthony to take place in 2019 ...I mean, frankly, I was surprised that the band ended up touring and putting an album out in 2012 and touring in 2015. Because since 1996 it's just been that way with Van Halen, in terms of ANYthing happening vs. expectations. As a fan, one had to condition themselves to the reality post-1996 that WHATEVER happened it wasn't gonna be a new album and tour every year a la CVH. Or even a new album and tour every two years along the lines of Van Hagar. Like, you basically learned post-1996 not to get your hopes up.

[ZahZoo]

Unfortunately... Sunset Sound Studios youtube channel and account was taken down due to multiple 3rd party copyright challenges. I tried to find the interview that discussed the Roth VH era boxset.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Even if we have heard most of it on bootleg, I still would like an official box set of CVH stuff (live, unreleased, etc). I've seen and have what other bands have released and dream, literally dream of the same thing for CVH. But we get nothing.

Unfortunately Alex and Dave are weird fucks about this sort of thing.

Even the recent DLR box of his WB albums. While its a nice to have and there is a slight improvement in the remastering, would it hurt to include some goodies? How about a band poster of the EEAS lineup. A reproduction of a tour book. Again, nothing. Bare bones.

[Terry]

Even if we have heard most of it on bootleg, I still would like an official box set of CVH stuff (live, unreleased, etc). I've seen and have what other bands have released and dream, literally dream of the same thing for CVH. But we get nothing.

Unfortunately Alex and Dave are weird fucks about this sort of thing.

Even the recent DLR box of his WB albums. While its a nice to have and there is a slight improvement in the remastering, would it hurt to include some goodies? How about a band poster of the EEAS lineup. A reproduction of a tour book. Again, nothing. Bare bones.

Probably at this late date there would be little value from a business perspective in a DLR box of his WB albums loaded with goodies, unless you did a limited pressing and jacked up the price.

CVH, on the other hand, THAT box set loaded with goodies should have been put out 20 years ago when people were still shelling out money for physical media, because one imagines THAT would have been profitable even if the band and WB and whatever other business entities (am thinking along the lines of who owns the rights to any old concert footage, etc.) had to split it. The logic being that 33% of something is worth more than 100% of nothing.

But that's sort of a Business 101-type logic on my part. I have no idea about the intricacies of record contracts going back to 1978, much less renegotiated contracts over the span of 40 or 50 years.