Thoughts on CVH reunion having just seen Roth

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  • Terry
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jan 2004
    • 12222

    Thoughts on CVH reunion having just seen Roth

    First off, was pretty much opposed to CVH getting back together. What was a great idea in 1996 has, to me, sounded like something more and more over the last 9 years as an undertaking that should best be left alone. Particularly since the 2004 Van Hagar shows. Knew from seeing Dave in 1999 and 2002 that he was still up for it, but Ed's state last year kinda raised questions in my own mind about it. Plus, I wasn't really bowled over with what Dave did w/the Boston Pops recently, or the Diamond Dave CD.

    Was asking myself if I really wanted to see a CVH reunion where Dave wasn't gonna be able to kick as high, or do leaping splits from the drum riser...I mean, it's not just Eddie's abilities that had me concerned. Plus, Dave's voice isn't 100% what it used to be. Not shot and washed up, but he ain't gonna be doin' no Outta Love Again anymore either, understand?

    And a lot of it had to do with seeing the band in 1984, and still remembering the show (despite being buzzed on cheap homegrown and peppermint Schnapps) and how overwhelmingly excellent they were, and not wanting to see them reform and not live up to that expectation. Hell, the 1984 tour wasn't even their best series of shows, and they were still THAT fucking good...

    But having caught Dave again recently, I didn't find myself having a problem with his lower-key performance style in the context of a CVH reunion anymore. By lower key, I don't mean that he was boring, either. Just in terms of the amount of screams and physicality of it. I had a great time at a good show. And as the band were playing, I remember thinking that it may or may not have sounded better if Ed, Al and Mike were there now, but my reaction to it wouldn't have been that much more positive...Brian Young was doin' fine, the whole thing sounded great, Dave was working the lower registers of his voice more than I'm used to, but his enthusiasm was, as ever, infectious. I mean, even if it was just another show for him and his enthusiasm was manufactured (am talking worse case-scenario/devil's advocate here), so fucking what? Everyone that I saw totally dug it, everyone's hands were in the air, everyone knew all the words and had fun. Didn't see any signs of Roth phoning it in at all...and this was a gig where people were paying $10 a pop to get in and eat ribs, drink a few and see a bunch of other bands where Roth was the headliner. Roth didn't appear to be taking the audience response for granted, or come off as cocky, or whatever.

    So, why the fuck NOT have CVH reunite? It might not turn out to be the most earth-shattering concert experience ever, but it doesn't HAVE to be in order to get off. Hell, I'll even go one better; CVH don't even need to make a new album of killer material to go out on the road, either. I know, I know...said I wouldn't wanna be bothered with going to see CVH doing oldies-only. Well, fuck it. I changed my mind. Let 'em reunite, rehearse thouroghly (THAT is still a prerequisite - don't wanna hear Ed fumbling around with RWTD RHYTHM parts for fuck's sake!), hit the road and swing on through that back catalog one more time. Like I've said: If you can go to a Roth show and not have a good time, you've got problems. Don't think ANYONE, even the most die-hard Eddie acolytes who parrot all of Ed and Al's bs about hating Roth, would fail to have a good time at a CVH reunion show.

    Sad part is, it probably won't happen anyway, and I am in sympathy with those who say they go to Roth shows these days thinking this will be the last one. He ain't gonna be doing it forever.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.
  • ritetoolforjob
    Banned
    • Mar 2005
    • 832

    #2
    dave will be quick to forget his few fans if the radio gig does well. he's only doing the odd show now for money, not for the fans. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, roth is all about the money, the er training was just a pathetic way to get a headline. if he gave a shit, then he should do a little farewell tour. "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.

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    • bueno bob
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 22951

      #3
      Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
      I will be quick to forget women if my time on the HOT-MALE CHAT LINE goes well. I'm only pretending to like women out of old habit, not because I'm actually attracted to them. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, I'm all about the hairy male ass, the whole "I like women" thing was just a pathetic way to try and get people to like me. if you're a man (especially a big hairy one) and give a shit, then you should PM me. I'm willing to stretch my ass out in minutes.
      I bet.
      Twistin' by the pool.

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      • Terry
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jan 2004
        • 12222

        #4
        Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
        dave will be quick to forget his few fans if the radio gig does well. he's only doing the odd show now for money, not for the fans. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, roth is all about the money, the er training was just a pathetic way to get a headline. if he gave a shit, then he should do a little farewell tour. "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.
        Wow.

        Say, um, if you really believe all of that...not that I'm, you know, trying to censor you or restrict your freedom to join whatever internet group you want/express yourself in any way ('cuz I'm not)...but, well...


        .........what the fuck are you even doing around here?
        Scramby eggs and bacon.

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        • bantonelli
          Crazy Ass Mofo
          • Nov 2004
          • 2629

          #5
          Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
          dave will be quick to forget his few fans if the radio gig does well. he's only doing the odd show now for money, not for the fans. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, roth is all about the money, the er training was just a pathetic way to get a headline. if he gave a shit, then he should do a little farewell tour. "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.
          Sorry to burst your bubble, but you are totally incorrect.

          DLR hasn't been touring all summer for the money...are you kidding me? If you had any brain larger than the size of a pea, you'd figure out the math. His concert tickets this summer ranged in the average of $20-35.00. His venues were relatively small....maybe 300 - 500 +, split between himself, his band and perhaps his manager.....DLR didn't stand to make a large profit at the end of the day. He didn't do very many shows this year as the EMT training/volunteering has been another part of his schedule.

          DLR has been doing those concerts for us to keep the music of CVH alive and giving it to us because he knows there is a huge market for it STILL. He knows we have to rely on Tribute Bands like the Atomic Punks, Hot for Teacher, etc. to get our VH Fix.

          If DLR was simply doing it for the $$$, he would have had his management book him in either bigger venues or more of them to make up the cost of bringing those shows to us.

          Some places he played in Oregon, etc., his tickets were only $10-15.00 - how much profit is in THAT ???
          "Meet us in the Future.....NOT the Pasture".......DLR, August '07, VH Press Conference - Tour '07-'08

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          • Jimmy Jingles
            Veteran
            • Mar 2004
            • 1611

            #6
            Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
            dave will be quick to forget his few fans if the radio gig does well. he's only doing the odd show now for money, not for the fans. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, roth is all about the money, the er training was just a pathetic way to get a headline. if he gave a shit, then he should do a little farewell tour. "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.
            ...Said the man with the 'rite tool' in his ass.

            You're still a Fag.
            23. That's the number of people Mr. T has pitied in the time it has taken you to read this sentence.

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            • Zif
              Roth Army Recruit
              • Nov 2005
              • 3

              #7
              I know what you mean. From 1996 - 2003 or so a CVH reunion would have been the best thing I could think of to happen in music. But after catching Sam and Dave in 2004, then VH with Sam, and DLR at the ribfest....I just dont really care anymore. My main reason is that Ed is washed up....Dave can still hack singing the CVH catalog. Its not god damn opera, its whiskey driven party your ass off rock and roll; and Dave still has that vibe to a T. All the Dave critics don't seem to understand this, and nothing anyone can say will ever make them realize.

              ....and Dave is not in it for the money! He really seems to enjoy singing....I mean the guy must have made about $1000 at the ribfest? He's going to be paid millions a year to take over from Stern in a few weeks, and has been a millionaire since the late 70's. Yeah, its all about the money!

              I was actually thinking during the Ribfest (I was the guy right at the front guard rail with the Megadeth shirt on) that Brian Young does Eddie....better than Eddie can. He plays better than ED ever did live. Eddies been regurgitating his solos for so long, I dont think he can come up with the caliber of stuff that blew us away on VH1 to 1984 .

              Ed's been my hero for so long....all this makes me depressed. it makes a grown man wanna cry, I tell ya....

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              • Terry
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jan 2004
                • 12222

                #8
                Originally posted by Zif
                I know what you mean. From 1996 - 2003 or so a CVH reunion would have been the best thing I could think of to happen in music. But after catching Sam and Dave in 2004, then VH with Sam, and DLR at the ribfest....I just dont really care anymore. My main reason is that Ed is washed up....Dave can still hack singing the CVH catalog. Its not god damn opera, its whiskey driven party your ass off rock and roll; and Dave still has that vibe to a T. All the Dave critics don't seem to understand this, and nothing anyone can say will ever make them realize.

                ....and Dave is not in it for the money! He really seems to enjoy singing....I mean the guy must have made about $1000 at the ribfest? He's going to be paid millions a year to take over from Stern in a few weeks, and has been a millionaire since the late 70's. Yeah, its all about the money!

                I was actually thinking during the Ribfest (I was the guy right at the front guard rail with the Megadeth shirt on) that Brian Young does Eddie....better than Eddie can. He plays better than ED ever did live. Eddies been regurgitating his solos for so long, I dont think he can come up with the caliber of stuff that blew us away on VH1 to 1984 .

                Ed's been my hero for so long....all this makes me depressed. it makes a grown man wanna cry, I tell ya....

                Young did a fine job, as always. Dunno about preferring what he does live now to what Ed did back in the day...

                ...from what I saw on that 1998 MTV Live At The Ten Spot thing with Cherone, Ed was still capable of playing. From what I heard on the 2004 tour, Ed seemed out of sorts at times...

                ...yep, thinking about Ed these days is kind of a bummer.
                Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                • Jimmy Jingles
                  Veteran
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 1611

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Zif
                  I know what you mean. From 1996 - 2003 or so a CVH reunion would have been the best thing I could think of to happen in music. But after catching Sam and Dave in 2004, then VH with Sam, and DLR at the ribfest....I just dont really care anymore. My main reason is that Ed is washed up....Dave can still hack singing the CVH catalog. Its not god damn opera, its whiskey driven party your ass off rock and roll; and Dave still has that vibe to a T. All the Dave critics don't seem to understand this, and nothing anyone can say will ever make them realize.

                  ....and Dave is not in it for the money! He really seems to enjoy singing....I mean the guy must have made about $1000 at the ribfest? He's going to be paid millions a year to take over from Stern in a few weeks, and has been a millionaire since the late 70's. Yeah, its all about the money!

                  I was actually thinking during the Ribfest (I was the guy right at the front guard rail with the Megadeth shirt on) that Brian Young does Eddie....better than Eddie can. He plays better than ED ever did live. Eddies been regurgitating his solos for so long, I dont think he can come up with the caliber of stuff that blew us away on VH1 to 1984 .

                  Ed's been my hero for so long....all this makes me depressed. it makes a grown man wanna cry, I tell ya....

                  Ed was drunk the entire 2004 tour. We he is sober, he can play ace for ace anything from the past. Brian Young is good, but to say he is better than Ed...thats a stretch.
                  23. That's the number of people Mr. T has pitied in the time it has taken you to read this sentence.

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                  • rustoffa
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 8963

                    #10
                    Shit, If they can prop Mick Mars up with a tomato stake and make a go of it, anything's possible.

                    Impossible is also possible.

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                    • Zif
                      Roth Army Recruit
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 3

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jimmy Jingles
                      Ed was drunk the entire 2004 tour. We he is sober, he can play ace for ace anything from the past. Brian Young is good, but to say he is better than Ed...thats a stretch.
                      And what show exactly did you see (ever) Ed play sober?

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                      • fryingdutchman
                        Full Member Status

                        • Feb 2005
                        • 4133

                        #12
                        I believe Ed was sober during the "3" debacle.

                        Of course, anyone would have started drinking again after that....
                        Originally posted by perilouspete
                        fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.

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                        • fryingdutchman
                          Full Member Status

                          • Feb 2005
                          • 4133

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
                          dave will be quick to forget his few fans if the radio gig does well. he's only doing the odd show now for money, not for the fans. i don't give a damn what anyone thinks, roth is all about the money, the er training was just a pathetic way to get a headline. if he gave a shit, then he should do a little farewell tour. "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.
                          It was EMT training, not ER training...............

                          Assclown.
                          Originally posted by perilouspete
                          fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.

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                          • fryingdutchman
                            Full Member Status

                            • Feb 2005
                            • 4133

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ritetoolforjob
                            "phonebooths across north america" will sell out in minutes.
                            Just like YOUR summer tour called "Men's rooms across North America" in which you hungrily gobble gloryhole cock for other guys with the "rite tool."

                            A name like "ritetoolforjob" must make you the most popular guy in the gay chat room.
                            Originally posted by perilouspete
                            fryingdutchman you pretty much own everyone.....sick comebacks, well put. top class wit.

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                            • Jimmy Jingles
                              Veteran
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1611

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Zif
                              And what show exactly did you see (ever) Ed play sober?

                              I never went to any '04 shows, but I read that there were some nights he was not "as drunk" as others, and he seemed to be sober during the soundchecks.

                              Also, if you watch any boots from the 3 tour, Ed was spot on and ripped through Mean Street and other classics with ease (and you would also be treated to Ga y Cherone fingering his ass on stage).
                              23. That's the number of people Mr. T has pitied in the time it has taken you to read this sentence.

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