Dave's Show Today

[thome]

I was listening today and Dave bought up the Most Boring controversy
that I am so sick of hearin about:For the Quintillionth time!!!!

The Jimmy the DORK Greeks Manifesto" Blacks were bred biggest Buck to the Stongest Black Bitch female that's why they are great in the Sports".F,O,&,D!

and then Animal goes yes it's true......... BULLSH!!!!T

I am Daves biggest fan but is this just a tool to instigate controversy
to hold listeners.? I am so sick of the Race Card being used as a tool
to stimulate anger and produce non interesting disscution..Grrrrr

White, Black, Green, Yellow, Purple ,its all BS.A lot of people never get a chance to excell in sports that also --SUK COMPLETELY AT IT-- and guess--------- WHAT---------- THEY ARE BLACK!!

Yes folks its true some black people can't even figure out wich part
of a basket ball it the working side ...GRRRRRRR

I have never understood one race being superior of another at anything ,I don't believe it and anyone who does is absolutely
WRONG!

So Dave, it's just a minute out of your life tomorow will be diff/ yesterday was diff/ I still Love Ya! but i would like to take this moment to point out to you that you have chosen this partcular time to completely embarass youself once again.Or whatever he sais..LOL

This was and is the stupidest Idea of a Thought in the history of
mankind ..Thank you for listening... any coments welcome....

[perticelli]

Well, I completely disagree with you.
I think it was a great topic and had a great response from listeners. I think this show could prove to be a small turning point for Dave. This show was well done from beginning to end, Dave was really on his game, host wise and led a great series of discussions.
and the team sounds like they are starting to gel a bit.
i would argue that if DLR continues down this type of performance path like today, he will do very well.
I'm still wanting him to take 3 months off for an album/tour with the Bros., but i'll take what i can get.

[Hardrock69]

Well, the main thing is that the "theory" was discussed.

Sure the theory (stupid as it is) is controversial, however the point is that it IS stupid, and I am reasonably sure that is why it was discussed...to demonstrate the stupidity of it.

Good for Dave.

[perticelli]

can it be stupid AND true?

[thome]

It's a embolism of stupidity placed as written in stone truth

The alpha and omega -Blacks are superior at sports- ..Bullsh!t
because of some white man breeding teqnique.BullSh!T!

It takes all the hard work sweat and striveing for perfection away from
the person who has achieved his goal or place in the hall of fame.

I am in the hall of fame due soley to white man breeding techniques

BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!

It's opression of the first degree!The greek should be dug up and hanged.

No he should not have that done that's wrong he should be looked on with pity and treated as tho he was mentaly disabled and so should
anyone who believes such BullSH!T

[perticelli]

Originally posted by thome
It's a embolism of stupidity placed as written in stone truth

The alpha and omega -Blacks are superior at sports- ..Bullsh!t
because of some white man breeding teqnique.BullSh!T!

It takes all the hard work sweat and striveing for perfection away from
the person who has achieved his goal or place in the hall of fame.

I am in the hall of fame due soley to white man breeding techniques

BULLSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!

It's opression of the first degree!The greek should be dug up and hanged.

No he should not have that done that's wrong he should be looked on with pity and treated as tho he was mentaly disabled and so should
anyone who believes such BullSH!T

Wow, that's about as shortsighted as your original posit.
Noone said that black's in the hall of Fame owed it to white breeding techniques.
Fact: Blacks and whites have different muscle structure
Fact: The difference of structure is of the kind that favors physical strength activity
Fact: White slave owners bred the biggest of their slaves in hopes of creating stronger workers.

Put it together. it's not a cut on anyone, its just science.
Are you saying we cant talk about science in cases that are racial specific?

[thome]

Originally posted by perticelli
Wow, that's about as shortsighted as your original posit.
Noone said that black's in the hall of Fame owed it to white breeding techniques.
Fact: Blacks and whites have different muscle structure
Fact: The difference of structure is of the kind that favors physical strength activity
Fact: White slave owners bred the biggest of their slaves in hopes of creating stronger workers.

Put it together. it's not a cut on anyone, its just science.
Are you saying we cant talk about science in cases that are racial specific?

Ok I'm shortsighted. If you theoretically took two people
Exact clones one played sports and was great the other sat in a corner
till he wasted away.
now tell me is breeding as important as the will to better ones self
to strive sweat and work at it.?

[fatmanwalking]

Lets think about this rationally.

When humans are given power over any animal species do they tend to breed them for certain traits? Yes. Horses, cows, birds, fish, dogs, cats, whatever. Who is to say that slave owners did not do this? Hell Hitler was doing this with the German people in the 30's.

Also look at African Americans vs their cousins in Africa. Different body type. The ones in Africa are skinnier and less robust. Granted some of that is diet but they are shorter and narrower. You can't account all of it to white sperm.

[perticelli]

Originally posted by thome
Ok I'm shortsighted. If you theoretically took two people
Exact clones one played sports and was great the other sat in a corner
till he wasted away.
now tell me is breeding as important as the will to better ones self
to strive sweat and work at it.?

This isnt a pissing contest, nor a value judgement. It's simply a genetic question.
In your scenario, you dont differentiate between the two subjects, other than they are clones..Are they white? chinese? black?
Are they from n. america or africa or asia?
and on and on. yes, in my view, 'will' plays a huge role in someone achieving their goals, especially physical ones.

And this is a physical question..so if you had clones..they would have the identical genetics. If one of them had the physical ability to achieve greatness in sports, theoretically, the other would have the 'ability'. Ability does not outcome make...

[thome]

If a white guy- repeat this scenario for every race creed and color.

Throws a rock thru a hole in a tree, all do it, how is one said to be
naturally better than the other..?

Saying one race is better as a whole at anything is confining that race
to a stereotype.

The greeks theory to be proven as fact all blacks would be clones of each other, its a generalization of a lie.

My op is all people are capable of all things. but a crippled person
may be limited. The greeks BS sais because hes a black cripple
he is still a better athlete than the Asian dude who has no infirmities..?

maybe i am generalizing but i feel that the greeks statement has
destructive overtones that black athletes owe thier sucsess to
there white slave masters.

As in a black from africa is substandard to a american black in his
ability to be gracefull and sublime.

[diamondsgirl]

I thought it was a good topic to spark conversation, controversy, and debate but it was a little too obvious thats was what he was doing.

I was embarrassed FOR Dave when he was getting confused with what was "racist" and what was "sexist". It was like he was saying that women were a different race than men.

Maybe he was trying to be funny???? He failed at it, IMO and sounded ignorant.

Anyway...Dave is only human and like all of my favorite people in the world...I don't agree with everything but do enjoy listening just the same.

Roth on...

[rustoffa]

Originally posted by fatmanwalking
Lets think about this rationally.

When humans are given power over any animal species do they tend to breed them for certain traits? Yes. Horses, cows, birds, fish, dogs, cats, whatever.

I'm all about rationality. Fuck, I might sticky this if somebody floats to the top.

I didn't hear the particular show, my gut reaction is Dave reached for a disco loop when he meant to grab a book on inbreeding depression.

Inbreeding depression? Who the fuck mentioned that?

Inbreeding depression is the negative result of breeding for an isolated trait, over the course of time.

Think x-pensive race horses. Those motherfuckers' can fly like the wind....that's about it. Tie 'em to a carriage? There goes a shoulder.

Cows? Steroids. Not unlike the svelt race horses. Bessie exists' on small familyatures.

Fish? Check the hormone content of your salmon steak.

Birds? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess your paralleling 'roids in the chicken breasts' to the bazongas on 13 year old chicks.

Speak to this. (there's all kindsa room)

Go.

[perticelli]

Originally posted by thome
If a white guy- repeat this scenario for every race creed and color.

Throws a rock thru a hole in a tree, all do it, how is one said to be
naturally better than the other..?

Saying one race is better as a whole at anything is confining that race
to a stereotype.

The greeks theory to be proven as fact all blacks would be clones of each other, its a generalization of a lie.

My op is all people are capable of all things. but a crippled person
may be limited. The greeks BS sais because hes a black cripple
he is still a better athlete than the Asian dude who has no infirmities..?

maybe i am generalizing but i feel that the greeks statement has
destructive overtones that black athletes owe thier sucsess to
there white slave masters.

As in a black from africa is substandard to a american black in his
ability to be gracefull and sublime.

My take is that the reason people DONT have this discussion, and the reason most people are PC is because they can only view it from the filter of a value statement or judgement. This is NOT a value judgement..noone is saying blacks or whites or russians or asians are "better" people, or "superior" as an infinite value.

The scenario goes like this:
There is a phenomena we dont neccessarily understand, but see.
In this case, the subject was sports.
We SEE that in the majority of major sports in this country, football,basketball,baseball, there is a trend that isnt created, but real. Black athletes dominate those sports and make up the overwhelming majority of the superstars. This isnt MY view, it just is the reality.
So it's then natural to ask: Why is that? Not in an attempt to devalue anyone, but to scientifically ask if there is a reason.
Well, then all the theories can come to the table and can be discussed.

Jimmy the Greek decided that sports, in general, are a physically-dominated activity and he saw that black athletes were dominating.
So he asked himself why that might be..he was a bookmaker and any edge he could redeem could mean the difference between paying out millions to making millions.
I dont know if his theory was his original thought or not, but what he said was at least logical.

You know a bird can fly because it has wings and that their bones are hollow.
You know that a sparrow can fly faster than a crow because its "tools" are designed for speed and those traits helped them survive and are genetically preserved in their DNA.
This doesnt say a sparrow is better than a crow or that sparrows owe their speed to the lack of those traits in others.

Noone is saying that the black athlete is a 'better' person or a worse person.. Noone is saying that black athletes dont have to try as hard as others to succeed. What they are saying is that the reason, or one of the reasons, the black athlete dominates in these physically dominat sports is due to their different physical makeup..the structure and layout of muscles, the efficiency of the body to intake O2 and convert it into the neccessary ingredients to keep the body at a higher level of performance and so on. To put it another way, it follows that blacks have a superior physical 'potential' in these activities, and while we all know potential is not automatically translated into success, it certainly is an indication of superior ability if subjected to all of the proper preparation.

As to steroids and such, i think the example holds. If you were to take a white man and a black man, put em both on the same steroids and put them through the same training and so on and then put them on a track for a 100 yd dash, this theory says the black athlete will win more often than not, due to his superior ,genetic-physical makeup for this activity.
Did you know that the 10 second barrier in the 100 hundred yd dash has been broken over 300 times?
How many of those 300 + times was it broken by white, or non-african-american-descent runners?

[Polk High]

Well how does being faster make someone a better athelete. I've known people that were 3 times faster then me yet I dominated them in basketball cause I was stronger and more athletic skill in basketball.

[Faquar]

tome: I see your sociological reasoning but nothing scientific. Or is your beef with the Greek's slave-breed assertion?

"...the first black man to become an international tennis star, Arthur Ashe, once said: "The results are outstanding, nothing short of stellar. Sociology can't explain it. I want to hear from the scientists. Until I see some numbers (to the contrary), I have to believe that we blacks have something that gives us an edge.... My heart says no, but my head says yes.""

My observation at the gym that blacks generally have more defined muscles than any other group is wrong? Am I a racist?