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If any of those guys are hurting for money then they are financially retarded. Either that or they had crooks in charge of thier money.
Until someone sees their income tax returns and bank statements it is foolish to say who is hurting for money and who isn't.
They all made millions. Whether any of them blew it or not is anybody's guess. I haven't heard that any of them have filed for bankruptcy. That doesn't mean it hasen't happened.
Whether they are broke or loaded doesn't make any difference to me.
And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17
Originally posted by lafours I heard somewhere ( radio I think ) that Micheal Anthony invested alot of money in Disney stock and isnt hurting for cash at all..in fact probobly better off than Roth or the Sisters... is this true?
I did read something along those lines a while back. Not sure if it was specifically Disney stock, but Mikey was playing the market for a while.
In any case, I don't think bass player will be standing in soup lines or tending bar in Cabo Wabo any time soon.
"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
Originally posted by FORD Sorry, but that's not the case. The Three Stooges were basically sitting around dazed and confused after Dave left, and then Hagar and his manager Ed Leffler walked in and simply took over. Sam & Leffler were pretty much in charge of Van Hagar until the day Ed Leffler died. Then came the power struggle in the group, with Spam wanting Aerosmith's manager Tim Collins, and the sisters wanting Danniels. Collins saw Eddie's head-shaving freakout episode and he said "No fuckin way can I deal with this shit. I already got Steven Tyler".
And that's when Danniels and the Lying Dutchmen gained control. In all probability, it was Danniels & Alex, since Eddie was and remains a basket case. Irving Azoff probably only was interested in the Van Hagar reunion, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he dumped the sisters by now. Leaving Alex the default manager.
But it's definitely true that the Ched Rocker wasn't the leader of the band in 2004.
Yep, I take your point and in a 'political' sense you're right. But the point I was trying to make (and not very well) was that Sammy was always just a hired lead singer in the sense of his contribution to the band's music. To me, Van Hagar was always Eddie's band. Sammy's severe limitations as a creative artist limited his 'say' in whatever the band did in the studio so he was always subservient to the brothers. He was there to supply lyrics and vocals, but otherwise it was Eddie and Alex doing it their way. Particularly early on. Then I think in the early-90s Sammy got comfortable with his position in VH and that's when Eddie's insecurities surfaced.
I don't think Eddie ever really respected Sammy as an artist.
Originally posted by Halen High Yep, I take your point and in a 'political' sense you're right. But the point I was trying to make (and not very well) was that Sammy was always just a hired lead singer in the sense of his contribution to the band's music. To me, Van Hagar was always Eddie's band. Sammy's severe limitations as a creative artist limited his 'say' in whatever the band did in the studio so he was always subservient to the brothers. He was there to supply lyrics and vocals, but otherwise it was Eddie and Alex doing it their way. Particularly early on. Then I think in the early-90s Sammy got comfortable with his position in VH and that's when Eddie's insecurities surfaced.
I don't think Eddie ever really respected Sammy as an artist.
Originally posted by vistadelrey well that's fine. From this I understand that you do not enjoy anything that VH since Roth. That is fine. IN contrast I regard the Roth VH stuff as much better than the hagar VH stuff. I listen cvh over and over while the hagar halen is really just on the shelf. But in the final analysis for me it is about hearing eddie play. so while hagar is sub par for you it is still eddie playing beautiful sounds. no need to beat this one to death.
I understand you totally. I don't hate Van Hagar. If I'd have never heard classic Van Halen, I'd have heard Hagar and still thought, "Shit what a guitarist, pretty damn good if I do say so myself!" But when I hear the classic 6, they really blow me away in terms of what Eddie could achieve and that makes me think about what he could have done if he stayed in it for the love and stayed away from Val and showbiz and booze and drugs and money and power. Or at least if he'd been able to deal with these things in a better way. I have a friend who's had limited fatherly role models, and he's similar to Ed. Great talent and hungry when he needs to be, but can't get his shit right and keep out of crummy ho-bag relationships etc.
Eddie has wasted time, made bad choices regarding songs and singers. His playing was sub-par from 1984 onwards, with the exception of some very good work here and there.
My point is, why should Dave work with a guy who hasn't touched on his peak for over 20 years now? I know Ed's great, probably still better than most but good enough just doesn't cut it with me, and I don't see why it should cut with Dave. Unless Dave get's nostalgic or money hungry... and I sure hope he doesn't.
I'm very proud of what was that band and what was that show and what it did mean to people. It disgusts me that it has turned into the complete opposite. That it now represents everything that I spoke against, that we suppoesedly represented the converse of. I don't want to have to remember that the team turned into that. Makes me question what the team was while I was a member. Was it all bullshit? If nothing else, it confirms in my mind that from my standpoint - yours truly, David Lee - not a fraction. If nothing else, this kind of morbid, wounded animal anger aimed my way has caused me to look deep into that bathroom mirror and come back to you with "my shit was legit." It was for real. And perhaps the test is time. Because here I am, a decade and a half later, haven't changed much. I look a little different, but not much. My sense of humour is about the same.
Originally posted by degüello All that shit just bums me right the fuck out. The image of Dave bringing in music to the sessions, trying to get things going, the brothers hating it... just makes me fucking sad.
And the shit about making MA a lesser-paid employee, just fucking ridiculous.
Arrgghh...
Oh come on... the fucking Chemical Brothers?? Music?? Please... that's like Barbara Streisand bringing in a Karen Carpentor song to a fat clinic and praisin findng Jesus... Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
"If you want to be a monk... you gotta cook a lot of rice...”
Originally posted by ZahZoo Oh come on... the fucking Chemical Brothers?? Music?? Please... that's like Barbara Streisand bringing in a Karen Carpentor song to a fat clinic and praisin findng Jesus... Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
I gotta look at this another way.
I like "Ice Cream Man", "Happy Trails", "You're No Good", and "Just A Gigalo". Solid covers done with a solid band.
Dave probably walked into Howdy Doody Mountain saw the disheveled state the group was in and figured that if he was going to sing with this pack then it would be better if it was just electronic synth tunes.
I don't think dave wanted them to cover the music but to listen what "modern" music could sound like...just giving some input, exchanging ideas, getting creative and make it "new" classic =VH=...
ed might have looked like this
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Originally posted by ZahZoo Oh come on... the fucking Chemical Brothers?? Music?? Please... that's like Barbara Streisand bringing in a Karen Carpentor song to a fat clinic and praisin findng Jesus... Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
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