Did Dave dig his own Grave???

[firestarter]

did dave's ego get the better of him, with vh, reunions,and the radio gig??

[Terry]

Despite what he says, I think the 1985 split may have had something to do with him wanting to be successful on his own and feeling he didn't need Van Halen to do it, although by all accounts from those involved Roth and the rest of the band just weren't getting along anymore and couldn't function anymore.

Far as the 1996 reunion, I think Ed wanted to do more with Dave than those two tunes, but I'm sure when they started discussing brass tacks in terms of the profit split, Alex and their management felt Dave shouldn't get an equal cut and shouldn't have the input he did back in the CVH days, and THAT'S were the trouble started...as opposed to AVH's lies about Dave not being up to it and how it would have been an insult to the fans to tour with Dave (as opposed to that scrumptious shit sandwich they served the fans with Van Halen 3).

The radio gig was never something I felt suited Dave or his style from the get-go. I didn't want him to flop, but the idea of him trying to conform to the blandness that passes for corporate radio was just a bad idea; you either let Dave be Dave (because that should've been what he was hired for in the first place) or get someone else in there. Granted, Dave's own statements to the media about CBS probably didn't help his case any, but by the time he was going public with how he felt it was already apparent that it was a bad fit and the ratings weren't there anyway.

Digging his own grave? Don't see it so much as that as him wanting things done on his terms, and not being willing to compromise on matters of principle. What would be the point of cowtowing to the Van Halens and letting them make the major decisions in a CVH reunion when they've already demonstrated they clearly are not capable of providing smart choices for themselves? Why continue with a radio talk show gig when you're gonna be most effective by being yourself and the company you work for clearly just wants you for your name recognition factor, but doesn't want your input on format and content?

I suppose he could have kissed the Van Halen's and CBS's collective asses, but would that really be something you'd want to see from Dave? Meekness hopefully isn't gonna enter his arsenal anytime soon. A supplicant Roth just runs counter to everything he stood for that made him noteworthy in the first place.

Besides, the Van Halens are eventually gonna do it the way he wants it done anyway. The lure of a final payout and day in the sun before once again sliding off into oblivion is something they won't be able to resist, and without Roth they are just out of options (can't imagine too many promoters are gonna line up to handle the band for another Van Hagar reunion tour).

[rustoffa]

Re: Did Dave dig his own Grave???

Originally posted by firestarter
did dave's ego get the better of him, with vh, reunions,and the radio gig??

I'd say that an uncompromising nature falls within whatever sub-Freudian idea you're trying to throwthefuckout there.

There's alot of variables involved.

That being said, the fucking sophmoric logic you have at your disposal is nothing to be ashamed of.

Have you seen the shit they do with RC parasails?

[scottydabodi]

Originally posted by Terry
Digging his own grave? Don't see it so much as that as him wanting things done on his terms, and not being willing to compromise on matters of principle. What would be the point of cowtowing to the Van Halens and letting them make the major decisions in a CVH reunion when they've already demonstrated they clearly are not capable of providing smart choices for themselves? Why continue with a radio talk show gig when you're gonna be most effective by being yourself and the company you work for clearly just wants you for your name recognition factor, but doesn't want your input on format and content?

You said it, brutha!!

[yah]

I agree with Terry here....I think Alex and Eddie enjoyed their little power trip when they manipulated Redhag outta the band and they thought they had Dave by the balls and under their control before the '96 Video Music Awards.
Well, after watching the awards and backstage footage again after all these years, Dave was obviously in his own way taking some control back.
Shut Up....Plug In....Let's Go

[golden boy]

if dave would have made it he wouldnt have to split up the pay four ways

[binnie]

There were other ego's involved too

Eddie and Alex to name but two.

[Douglas T.]

While to some it appears DAVE is digging a grave he is in reality building his own mountain ... unlike Howdy Doodie hill!!

[Matt White]

"Did Dave dig his own Grave???"

No.................

[Loons The Great]

"Everybody is their own worst enemy."--Tony Soprano

[Leadsinger777]

Originally posted by Terry
I suppose he could have kissed the Van Halen's and CBS's collective asses, but would that really be something you'd want to see from Dave?

If it would get us a new CD and a tour... I dunno, I might want to see that from Dave. Yeah, it's selfish… but why not?
Look, they all have ego's. They earned the right to have them.
What I see is everyone wants to let Dave be Dave... and then they criticize him when he is. I'm guilty of it too.

The real question is, are we fooling ourselves by hoping for a reunion now?
Do you think even if they could put their differences aside the music would still be as good?
Is it time to wake up from the fantasy?

I've never had the opportunity to see Dave. Now, if I could see him I'm afraid I'd be somewhat disappointed. Not because he's no good, but because he's not the Dave everyone saw in the 70's - 90's. Perhaps I'm wrong on that front.

Listening to him on FreeFm, I wasn't a fan of him as a DJ. I'm a fan of him as a front man. I tried to like the radio show because I felt I owed it to Dave (since he was there the first time I got laid - Mix tape with Motley Crue and Dangerous Toys).

I don't think he dug his own grave though. It's not the last we'll see/hear from Dave. He's got that "It's better to burn out than fade away" attitude. There will be more music… you can count on that!

R

[Loons The Great]

Hoy Hoy...I'm a taildragger and I swipes out my tracks...

Originally posted by Leadsinger777

I've never had the opportunity to see Dave. Now, if I could see him I'm afraid I'd be somewhat disappointed. Not because he's no good, but because he's not the Dave everyone saw in the 70's - 90's. Perhaps I'm wrong on that front.

I believe you a wrong and wrongdoers respect me...think of it like seeing the mighty Howlin' Wolf in his latter days...he wasn't quite the blues monster he was in the 20's through the 60's but most nights, that ol' fire would come blazing forth and the mighty Wolf would rock the house down to the foundation...scare you half to death in the process...jus' like Big Wave Dave is still capable and willin' to do nah yez...

[ritetoolforjob]

on the hagar tour (dave support act haha) he looked like he climbed out the grave...

[Solbakken]

Dave did in many ways dig his own grave. But there`s still hope. After all, it`s only been 22 years. Who knows?
The boys are still relatively young, and Edward`s riffs are better than ever (Up for breakfast... Lord, have mercy! )
I just can`t believe they pissed it all away...

[Matt White]

"Better pissed off than pissed on.............."