sharon calls in black sabbath to help ticket sales, would vh ask roth the same

[vh1978-1984]

lets face it. this van hagar tour is a dud. ticket sales are well below expectations, i can still get blocks of 8 on the first night in st. louis in any price range. they were making fun of the added on chicago date on our most listened to morning show wednesday because hardly any seats were sold for the first one. i have ozzfest tickets and am on the mailing list and today got an email saying black sabbath would now be at ozzfest due to the demand of fans and the success of a black sabbath box set (yea right). bottom line, in some markets ozzfest was not selling up to par so they are puttting sabbath with ozzy to increase ticket sales, do you think van halen, who can't sell tickets in any markets would put roth on the bill and do a set with hagar and one with roth to sell some tickets. that is the only way i see this tour avoiding being a financial disaster to everyone involved. bottom line is they will have to beg roth or cancel many shows. i love it, those assholes are getting what they deserve.

[Antman]

I hate to break it to you, but Van Hagar is selling well enough. At $97 a pop, they'll still make out like bandits playing to even half full(or empty) arenas. If this "reunion" fails, then it'll be another 6 years before Ed crawls out of his bottle to face the public again, just like he did after the failure of VH 3.

[vh1978-1984]

there lies the main problem, they aint selling hardly any high dollar tickets and i guarantee promoters are getting nervous because if they don't sell so many seats they lose money and to the biggest losers of all, the scalpers trying to sell these "nobody wants to see tour" tickets. lets face it there is no sugarcoating it, this tour is a monumental flop.

[BITEYOASS]

sharon calls in black sabbath to help ticket sales, would vh ask roth the same

Roth would only accept it if they'd kick out that sandal and capri pants wearing bridge troll drone from the band and make new albums and tours at least once a year!

[lesfunk]

Roth would never do it. Period.

[madraoul]

Hagarita Hagarita you're in trouble again and you just can't see.

[Panamark]

H A G A R- I T A !

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by vh1978-1984
there lies the main problem, they aint selling hardly any high dollar tickets and i guarantee promoters are getting nervous because if they don't sell so many seats they lose money and to the biggest losers of all, the scalpers trying to sell these "nobody wants to see tour" tickets. lets face it there is no sugarcoating it, this tour is a monumental flop.

Very keen insight and observation on the scalping issue, I'd think...

Little doubt that a great many (perhaps even the majority in bigger markets) of the tickets which have actually sold were picked up by the professional scalper outfits right of the bat.

For a nice change, they will now be stuck holding less than face value block after block this time around. No way will this instance of their speculative ticket hording prove to pay out anything whatsoever above their investment... no, they are going to lose their ass, big time.

The band themselves are not likely to lose anything in the way of real dollars, but also don't look to be having any sort of grand payoff either.

I'm sure they are already quite red faced, privately, seeing the truth of the matter in regards to their current drawing power.

[lms]

I for one will be happy to see the scalpers get screwed...if that happens.

Actually, I think David would do it, with or without Spam. I wonder however how many more tickets they would sell by pulling such a last minute stunt. After a while people lose interest. (of course the closest show to me is 6 hours away...)

[ELVIS]

I love it

[DLR_EngineRoom]

Originally posted by vh1978-1984
bottom line, in some markets ozzfest was not selling up to par so they are puttting sabbath with ozzy to increase ticket sales, do you think van halen, who can't sell tickets in any markets would put roth on the bill and do a set with hagar and one with roth to sell some tickets. that is the only way i see this tour avoiding being a financial disaster to everyone involved. bottom line is they will have to beg roth or cancel many shows. i love it, those assholes are getting what they deserve.

No...after the confirmation of Hagar's live versions of Jump, Panama and Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love on the new Greatest Shits CD, this is the final nail in the 'Roth Reunion'. While I agree that I should 'never say never', this was a massive confirmation punch they gave Roth/Roth fans. And besided, Ozzy isn't an asshole, the VH Bros. are.

[lesfunk]

The main Difference is that Ozzy does not HATE the guys in Sabbath.
Van Halen obviously Hates Dave Roth.

[ashstralia]

just from a business standpoint,
scalpers are like bookies, yeah?
they know the odds and are very unwilling to
take any kind of risk. i'd be very surprised if they
had not done their homework and realised
it would be tough to re coup the initial investment
plus the 50% or whatever....

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by ashstralia
just from a business standpoint,
scalpers are like bookies, yeah?
they know the odds and are very unwilling to
take any kind of risk. i'd be very surprised if they
had not done their homework and realised
it would be tough to re coup the initial investment
plus the 50% or whatever....

They take huge risks all the time, but generally speaking play the odds to their favor... With good educated guess work they always come out ahead on the averages in a years time... sometimes, however, they lose their ass on specific acts/tours and this certainly looks to be one of those, no two ways about it.

Take the current David Bowie tour as an example of the opposite... its a hot ticket, very hard to come by, and legit selling out on the same day tickets first go on sale in most markets. They scoop up hundreds and hundreds of seats and then in turn resale them at 3 or 4x face value with ease for such a tour.

You can't do that with boat loads of VH tickets still available via the regular/traditional outlets.

Pre-sales are everything, too. They tell the story, and the story here is FLOP. Very little in the way of "walk up" can be counted on by the promoters/traditional outlets for such a lesser draw. Look for major week of and day of bonus/freebie promo's on this tour, such as "buy one get one free" tickets, and tons of free radio ticket giveawys etc. in an attempt to draw as much walk-up as possible and salvage what they can on the shows.

As sure as I'm sitting here, just you watch and see...

[ashstralia]

rh, i'm with ya bro,
i was just thinking that maybe it aint scalpers buying
up tickets.....
as you mentioned, sell out is a good sign; tickets aplenty= bad sign.