Looking At The Possibility (again) Of A Van Halen Reunion Tour

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  • ELVIS
    Banned
    • Dec 2003
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    Looking At The Possibility (again) Of A Van Halen Reunion Tour

    by Buck Woodward


    "I think, eventually, the inevitable will happen."
    - David Lee Roth, January 2006, on whether the original Van Halen lineup would ever play together again.



    It has been well over two decades since David Lee Roth performed on stage with Edward Van Halen. It has been ten years since any new Van Halen music with Roth on vocals was released (two tracks on the Best Of Vol. 1 compilation). Yet, here we are in 2006, and once again there is tons of discussion regarding Diamond Dave once again fronting Van Halen. Incredibly, there seems to be an even bigger buzz about Van Halen's unconfirmed plans than there is for the upcoming Genesis reunion, which is confirmed. It is a testament to the enduring popularity of Van Halen's music that despite all the false starts and incorrect rumors, many are still clinging to the hope that the mighty VH will once again perform in front of an arena of fans.

    So, why do the rumors seem to have more impact this time around? Before we discuss that, a little history lesson. (For those of you who are well aware of Van Halen's past, feel free to skip the next six paragraphs).

    Van Halen burst onto the music scene in 1978 after a few years on the California club circuit, with Edward Van Halen revolutionizing the electric guitar while David Lee Roth set the standard that every hair metal frontman to emerge from Los Angeles over the next ten years would try to copy. After the amazing debut album Van Halen, the group dove into the album-tour-album cycle that was normal for a band at the time, and made their way from opening act to headliner, playing in front of packed stadiums. By the time 1984, with the mega hits "Jump", "Panama" and "Hot For Teacher" was released, they were, arguably, the biggest rock band in the world. However, but the time 1985 ended, Roth would be gone, with the general belief being that Dave felt he was the "star" and didn't need to share credit with the guitar whiz or the other members of the band (which, by the way, are Eddie's brother Alex Van Halen on drums and Michael Anthony on bass and background vocals).

    So, Roth was out, and despite record company and management wanting Eddie to release a "solo" record (in the hopes that it would buy them time and hopefully get Roth back in the fold), Van Halen moved forward with a new singer, Sammy Hagar, the former Montrose singer who was coming off his greatest solo success to date with the VOA record and "I Can't Drive 55" single. The result was a string of four multi-platinum number one records (5150, OU812, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge, Balance) and arena tours, while Roth responded with two hit solo albums featuring guitarist Steve Vai (Eat Em And Smile, Skyscraper) before watching his star fall following the moderate success off A Little Ain't Enough (which featured guitarist Jason Becker). Van Halen, it appeared, had proven that Roth needed them more than they needed Roth.

    However, during the Balance tour, things started to disintegrate for Van Halen and Hagar. Following the death of longtime manager Ed Leffler, the band had disagreed on hiring Ray Danniels, the manager of Rush and brother-in-law of Alex Van Halen. Hagar flatly didn't trust him (and wouldn't let Danniels handle his affairs), and it apparently drove a wedge between him and the brothers (Michael Anthony, who had grown close with Hagar, stayed out of the line of fire), which was made worse by Edward's continued battle with sobriety. A dispute over releasing a Greatest Hits set and songs for the soundtrack to the movie Twister ended up being the final nails in the coffin, and Hagar was fired/quit (depending who you ask) and Van Halen, for the second time, was without a singer.

    In a shrewd business move, David Lee Roth was brought back in to record two songs for the Hits set (Best Of Vol. 1), and the reunited original lineup made an appearance at the MTV Video Awards. However, before that night was even over, Roth and Eddie were back at odds, with Roth angry over Eddie's constant mentioning that there would not be any reunion tour in the near future, due to him needing hip replacement surgery. Before MTV even finished putting together their "Welcome Back" video for Roth, he was back out of the band. Of course, he never was really back in the band, as Van Halen's story has always been that Roth was just coming in for the Hits project, and there was never an intention on their part to go further with it.

    Later the truth came out that Van Halen had actually been working with singer Mitch Malloy, but apparently a combination of Danniels' "strong arm" management style (like Hagar, Malloy didn't want him handling his business) and Malloy's uneasiness over the Roth situation led to it not working out. Enter Gary Cherone, former lead singer for Extreme. A great singer and frontman, Cherone seemed like a good choice, and the group released Van Halen III, which was produced by Edward and Mike Post (best known for his work with television soundtracks). The band went on a tour, and while they were still playing arenas, the crowds were a bit smaller. What was worse, is it became apparent that the main draw for the shows was the nostalgia of hearing the old hits, as VHIII hit number four on the charts, went gold and stalled, ending Van Halen's string of number one studio albums (all four Hagar albums had topped the charts) and was the only Van Halen record not to achieve multi-platinum status.

    And for a long time, that was it. Cherone was let go, and no replacement was named. Van Halen would go over six years without releasing any new music. When they finally did, it was three songs for another hits project (Best Of Both Worlds) and saw Sammy Hagar (who had been a lot more prolific than his former bandmates, releasing CD's and touring regularly) back fronting the band. There were numerous declarations that "Van Halen is back!" and things looked good as the group embarked on a 2004 arena tour. With Irving Azoff (who has a knack for getting bands back together, like Journey and the Eagles) in place as manager, things looked good for the group. However, by the end of the tour, the good vibes had given way to animosity, as Edward's attitude and refusal to change the setlist (the band played the same set at every show, changing three songs if they played the same venue twice) ticked off Hagar, who was already annoyed at the high ticket prices being charge for the shows. When a Japanese and European tour was proposed, Hagar refused, and Van Halen went back into hibernation.

    Okay, the history lesson is over, so it is back to the more recent past.

    In 2006, David Lee Roth made headlines as the lame duck replacement for Howard Stern on morning radio, garnering bad reviews and taking the fall on numerous stations. Hagar released a new CD and went on tour with Michael Anthony as his special guest, playing a set of Van Halen tunes under the moniker "The Other Half". Hagar also made it clear in numerous interviews that while he had no beef with Alex Van Halen, he flat out refused to have anything to do with Eddie. As for Edward, he finally produced some new music, two tracks for Michael Ninn's artsy porno flick Sacred Sin. He even hosted a party for the film at his own home, and performed a few classic Van Halen songs for the assembled guests. Edward also released a series of guitars with his famous striped design and two effects pedals, as well as new Van Halen T-Shirts and other merchandise.

    When the rumors of a Van Halen reunion began this Fall, they normally would be taken with the usual grain of salt. However, the scuttlebutt was given an added kick when it came out that, after being eligible for at least three years, Van Halen were finally being put on the ballot for induction into the Rock N' Roll Hall Of Fame. Now, it should be pointed out that the Hall Of Fame isn't always a guarantee of a reunion. The Police played at their induction, but hasn't performed since. Cream played, then took a few years before getting back together for a series of shows. However, there can be no doubt that concert promoters see dollar signs whenever a group reassembles to be inducted into the Hall Of Fame, and that appears to be the case with Van Halen.

    Let's take a sidebar to discuss the Hall Of Fame for a moment. In the past, when a group has been inducted into the Hall Of Fame, all members that contributed to the success of the group are usually invited to accept the honor. This has resulted in such unique scenarios as the then-feuding Temptations standing at the podium, Eric Claption, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page being inducted with the Yardbirds, and Mick Taylor standing side by side with his replacement, Ronnie Wood, as the Rolling Stones were inducted. With that in mind, it would stand to reason that a Van Halen induction would included both David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar. Given that Hagar and Roth have shown the ability to at least be civil together, and that Alex Van Halen is still supposedly on speaking terms with everyone in the band, it isn't inconceivable that all of them could stand on stage together and accept the induction. Just don't expect Hagar and Eddie to be standing next to each other.

    That bring us to the performance portion of the ceremony. A few years ago, the Hall Of Fame came up with the idea that all inductees would perform after accepting their award. It was a sneaky way to strong arm some groups into reuniting, at least for a few numbers. However, a few artists have still managed to get away without singing a note either by naming a substitute (Black Sabbath had Metallica perform for them, the remaining Ramones had Green Day play in their place) or coming up with an excuse (Michael Jackson's mysterious foot injury right before the ceremony). Would Roth and Hagar share a microphone? Kid Rock tried to get the two singers to perform together during their joint tour, but it never happened. Would Eddie just want to play an instrumental medley and shut out both lead singers? Perhaps Gary Cherone would sing.... okay, that's probably pushing it.

    Back to the tour rumors. Edward Van Halen's spokesperson Janie Liszewski had the following response to the talk of Van Halen hitting the road:

    "Yes, I can confirm this story in the respect of Wolfgang being the new bass player for the band and yes he has been in the studio with his dad and uncle rehearsing and writing for an upcoming summer 2007 tour. Wolfgang most certainly has inherited the Van Halen musical genius gene. At 15 years of age his knowledge, understanding, skill, and command of multiple instruments is impressive. There has been no confirmation that David Lee Roth will be touring this coming summer."

    So, let's examine that statement. Wolfgang Van Halen, Eddie's son, who occasionally joined his father on stage during guitar solos during the 2004 tour, is now the "new bass player" for the band. That would mean that Michael Anthony, who Eddie had less than kind things to say about during a rambling Howard Stern appearance a few months ago, is out of the band for the first time since 1978. While not a total surprise, given Anthony's relationship with Sammy Hagar, it still casts a shadow on this reunion. For his part, Anthony recently stated that no one has contacted him, one way or another, about any Van Halen projects.

    Because of Edward's guitar wizardry, Anthony never had a spotlight on his bass playing (although his work on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge proves he can do a lot more than hold down the bottom end) however, no one can deny that Michael Anthony's background vocals were an integral part of the Van Halen sound. When Van Halen recorded three songs for the Best Of Both Worlds compilation in 2004, Eddie and Alex shut Anthony out of the songwriting, and Eddie handled the bass parts on the recording. However, Anthony was eventually bought in for the singing, an admission that without his harmonies, it wouldn't sound like a Van Halen song. The idea of a live Van Halen performance without Michael Anthony just seems bizarre, and there is no way a 15-year-old Wolfgang is going to be able to sing in Anthony's style. Of course, given that Van Halen has use a (hidden) keyboardist on the road, it wouldn't be shocking for them to hire a background vocalist to stand under the stage as well.

    Back to the statement, the idea that Eddie, Alex and Wolfgang are "writing" has gotten a lot of chuckles from those in and out of the industry. For all of Edward's bragging that he has "thousands of songs" written, fans have only heard five of them in the last eight years. If a tree falls in the forest, and none one hears it, does it make a sound? If Eddie Van Halen has written thousands of songs, but no one hears it, does it really exist? Regardless, Van Halen isn't going to rake in millions with a new record (in this day and age, very few artists do). Nope, the money is in the tour, and the biggest offers are going to come from promoters that want the nostalgia bill of Van Halen with David Lee Roth at the helm. We know Roth will do it, and it appears Eddie is much more willing to do a run with Roth than Hagar at this point.

    So, while the Hall Of Fame is still a question mark, I think the idea of a Roth-led Van Halen being on tour next summer isn't out of the realm of possibility. However, let's not kid ourselves here. This isn't some sort of reformation of the classic lineup. Michael Anthony won't be there, and there won't be any new recordings with Diamond Dave. This is strictly a nostalgia trip where the Van Halen brothers will rake in the cash by performing a 90-minute set of early Van Halen tunes with Roth. I'm sure Dave will be in tip-top shape, and will recreate as many of his classic stage moves as he can at 53 years of age. As for his voice, well, it was never about the singing with Roth anyway, it was about the attitude. For the fans who have been waiting for this event since 1985, I'm sure they will be happy. Maybe Eddie will be able to keep his act together long enough for the band to make it through more than three months of touring and fans overseas will get a taste of Van Halen again as well.

    I believe the tour will happen, and it will be all about the money. Not that this should surprise any of us. After all, there is a reason they call it the "music business". So, save your pennies (because the tickets won't be cheap) and enjoy the trip in the "wayback machine". I know I will (and then I'll probably go see Hagar & Anthony again too).

    For all the BS and trash talk, we Van Halen fans will put up with it all just to hear Eruption one more time.



  • LoungeMachine
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 32576

    #2
    By Buck Woodward.

    Little brother of Bob Woodward?

    sounds like a porno name

    Buck Wood


    When do the "what do you think they will wear on this tour" threadS start?
    Originally posted by Kristy
    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
    Originally posted by cadaverdog
    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    • DavidLeeNatra
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jan 2004
      • 10715

      #3
      sums it up pretty good!
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      • bantonelli
        Crazy Ass Mofo
        • Nov 2004
        • 2629

        #4
        WOW Elvis...."The Wonder of You"....the longest post I've ever read from your "Suspicious Mind"!!!


        Excellent synopsis.
        "Meet us in the Future.....NOT the Pasture".......DLR, August '07, VH Press Conference - Tour '07-'08

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        • DavidLeeNatra
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Jan 2004
          • 10715

          #5
          Originally posted by bantonelli
          WOW Elvis...."The Wonder of You"....the longest post I've ever read from your "Suspicious Mind"!!!


          Excellent synopsis.
          he just copied and pasted it

          elvis' contribution to the post was
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          • bantonelli
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Nov 2004
            • 2629

            #6
            LOL!!!!! The Elvis Mascot...!
            "Meet us in the Future.....NOT the Pasture".......DLR, August '07, VH Press Conference - Tour '07-'08

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            • LoungeMachine
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Jul 2004
              • 32576

              #7
              Who Would Jesus Shoot with his 2 guns?
              Originally posted by Kristy
              Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
              Originally posted by cadaverdog
              I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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              • bantonelli
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Nov 2004
                • 2629

                #8
                A Smoking Loon?
                "Meet us in the Future.....NOT the Pasture".......DLR, August '07, VH Press Conference - Tour '07-'08

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                • DavidLeeNatra
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10715

                  #9
                  judas...
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                  First official owner of ADKOT (Deluxe Version)

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                  • lztom
                    Head Fluffer
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 228

                    #10
                    Probably the best summary of the whole situation you could expect to read.

                    To pull him up on one thing. I thought the rumours of MA not playing bass in the studio stretched back at least as far as the F.U.C.K era.

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                    • Panamark
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 17161

                      #11
                      I just read everything we already know in one big article ! :D

                      Good find, Elvis ! Its a very good summary for those who dont
                      know..
                      BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                      Love ya Mary Frances!

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                      • Terry
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 12123

                        #12
                        Couple of points I'd take issue with, but solid summary overall.
                        Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                        • Matt White
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 20569

                          #13
                          DAMN STRAIGHT

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49563

                            #14
                            The following is a response article posted to the thread's lead article.

                            ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE ON THE CURRENT STATE OF VAN HALEN
                            by Dennis J. @ 11:40:00 AM on 11/16/2006

                            The following was sent in response to the Van Halen column posted here on the site earlier this week.

                            I've been a VH fan from the beginning. I loved DLR and when DLR in his infinite wisdom, deemed himself too good for the band, I was devastated. But as your article mentioned, Sammy and VOA shared equal time my the turn-table and when a Ferarri mechanic named Claudio introduced the two of them, to me it was the work of God Himself. So, I was a great fan of the Hagar era also.
                            I like how you pointed out Ray Danniels and his wicked ways. In my personal opinion, Ray Danniels single-handedly destroyed Van Halen as we knew it with Hagar. I like to call Danniels' introduction into the band "incestuous inbreeding". The fact that he suckered Roth into doing two songs and perhaps implying a reunion in 1996 was sheer evil on his part.

                            As for Mitch Malloy, I actually had his CD in the early 90's. I think Malloy had two possibilities to offer the band. #1 - A big flowing mane of hair and good looks. #2 - A decent voice. Nonetheless, if I were Malloy, I wouldn't have done it though.

                            As an "Extreme" fan in the 80's, I liked Cherone and the band. When I heard about his joining the band, I honestly felt bad for the guy because he was in a no-win situation; who could possibly replace Roth or Hagar except for Roth or Hagar? If I were in his shoes, I would never have taken the project.

                            To me Van Halen will not be complete in any way, shape or form without Michael Anthony. Over the years Eddie has let his ego swell to the point that I believe he thinks he's truly a god and that he can create an album of fart noises and that it will sell based upon the fact that he's "Eddie f*ckin' Van Halen". However, when Cherone fronted the band, this was a case that like Roth earlier, Van Halen had become overly ##### thinking they could put anyone on a mic and the legions of fans would be pleased. I think VHIII was a real wake-up call that not just anyone can be in the band.

                            The core elements of the band include Anthony. DLR's replacement with Hagar was acceptable as Roth left the band high and dry and Hagar was an attractive choice. But a band in Van Halen's mega-status cannot just replace singers and get away with it, and that's what they found out with Cherone. Equally, without Anthony in the band, a vital piece is missing that I don't think Roth can truly compensate for. Even with a background singer behind the stage, Anthony's presence would be painfully missed.

                            As for a 15 year old officially playing bass for a band, personally I think it's a joke. That has nothing to do with Wolfgang's abilities at all and I'm sure he's got plenty of talent, but the mighty VH with a 15 year old at the bass, even Eddie's son, is comical.

                            Regarding Eddie's 1,000's of songs, you're right; if you can't hear them, do they exist? And Eddie's recent #### offerings with "Rise" and "Catherine", in which Eddie himself said, "If Catherine doesn't move you, you're brain dead...", well I guess a lot of us are just brain dead. Both songs are highly predictable in their playing and certainly are not of the caliber of a man who purportedly has 1,000s of songs in his catalog. Eddie's either lying about his catalog, or he's just starting to suck. If "Rise" and "Catherine" are the best he can do, I'd really hate to think of what the other 998 might be like.

                            Something not mentioned in your article is the DLR / Eddie relationship. Hagar's pretty happy-go-lucky and I'm sure that he gets along well with most folks, but I'm sure he has his flaws also. DLR and Eddie together is like the "Clash of the Titans" of egos and I cannot imagine the two on stage without eventually breaking into an all out fight. Roth's just too hung up on himself and despite his most recent warming up to playing in the band again, let's face it, Roth's intention first and foremost is to merely remind everyone that he was part of Van Halen. He's been doing that for years and when he would get cornered on his radio show, it was not unlike him to bring up that he was in Van Halen. Roth wants vindication for his poor decision of leaving the band in 85' and is only thinking about his ego. That, and he probably needs the dough.

                            As for Eddie, he needs to get over his "IAFVHGAIOTBD!" (I'm a f*cking Van Halen guy and I own this band, dammit!) disease. Eddie talks and talks about "LSD" (lead singer's disease), but he's never realized that the lowest common denominator in any failed relationship, whether it's with Valerie Bertinelli or your band, is YOU!!! Face it Ed! Pull your head out and understand that while you're a fantastic guitar player, you're not stand alone!

                            This is one guy who won't be clamoring for tickets to see a 15 year old on bass and the monetary reformation of Van Halen. If I go, it'll be because I've won the tickets on the radio and because I want to see a fist fight between DLR and Eddie.

                            Dennis J.
                            Dallas, Texas
                            gimme_red@hotmail.com

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                            • jharp84
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 2096

                              #15
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