Vai kicks Ed's Ass

[EddieFan4Eva]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
I think people have a hard time moving on....

We all want it to be 1984 again and VH to be on top of the world (no reference here to the Van HAgar song)....

Fact is it isn't 1984...Dave is not with VH...Ed has changed (for the worse IMHO), and Sam is back....

I still hold to my previous thought and post...if Ed and Vai got up today and jammed - Stevie boy would own that alcoholic like Betty Ford should...

It'd be a great thing to see...and i've got no doubts that Ed would do just fine. It wasnt that long ago that i got to witness Ed jam with 2 guys i live near and respect...Paul Gilbert and Greg Howe.....amazing players.....guess what? Ed played very Holdsworth-like....not quite the usual fare, ala VH tunes. Nonetheless.....believe me or not, doesnt matter....but if the question is whether Ed would not hang with Vai......the answer is a simple yes from me.

[EddieFan4Eva]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
It never ceases to amaze me everyone says Vai is faster...Vai is better...speed is only a small part of the pie...Steve plays some excellent slow and moving pieces...

Again on the Yngwie kicking Vai's ass...I have to disagree...speed wise OK, but why does it all come back to speed?????

Vai is technically brilliant and able to play ALL sorts of stuff...Yngwie is diatonic or die baby...period...

Ed, Yngwie, and Vai all have the gift of brilliance...truth though Ed lost it to the bottle, Yngwie has had NOTHING new in 20 years same ol' bllllll bllllll blllll bllll bllll bllll (faster than shit)....

But Stevie boy has really grown as an artist....wonder why he accompanies artists at the Grammy's????

Well, Yngwie did kicks their asses the night i saw G3...not just in speed terms (which I never put as #1 priority), but in pure energy, and classical structure. I like Joe alot...more than Vai.....but they didnt have the "ooommmph" that YJM had that night. Apples and Oranges maybe? But consider this....anyone that has see Vai with Dave, if they're honest, will know that Vai played like crap on the VH tunes.....and same for Vai's stint with Alcatraz....he played the Yngwie-Alcatraz tunes like garbage. Eh, i'm over this thread...peace.

[DR CHIP]

PEACE....

[Seshmeister]

The last I saw Vai he was opening with Shyboy playing it note perfect with a blindfold on!

The last I heard of EVH he was trying to cover up that he couldn't play his stuff from 20 years ago by making a lot of wailing sounds using effects pedals.

It's no longer a debate.

The only debate is Eddie up to mid 80s v. Vai not Drunk Eddie Hasbeen of 2004 v. Vai...

[DR CHIP]

sesh in the house....

a blind fold he got from Prince by the way....

[amadeus]

Don't you think with all the crap that Ed has gone through that he has pretty well held it all together quite well. All the personal stuff going on in his life is bound to come through in his professional career as well, but Ed has always been a fighter and he just needs to sharpen his chops again. He never lost his chops, just has to find them . As far as Vai goes, he is an incredible guitarist but he had a great teacher in Satch whereas Ed didn't have anyone teach or train him-no knock on Vai just pointing a few things out. thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion(no matter how wrong I may be) on this post.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by amadeus
Don't you think with all the crap that Ed has gone through that he has pretty well held it all together quite well. All the personal stuff going on in his life is bound to come through in his professional career as well, but Ed has always been a fighter and he just needs to sharpen his chops again. He never lost his chops, just has to find them . As far as Vai goes, he is an incredible guitarist but he had a great teacher in Satch whereas Ed didn't have anyone teach or train him-no knock on Vai just pointing a few things out. thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion(no matter how wrong I may be) on this post.

All the crap that Ed has been through has been self inflicted.
Please see marriage gone=booze, cancer=cigs, poor chops=booze,
this love for Spammy=tons and tons of booze!!!
Simple really, and quite sad!!

[dave_is_vh]

Originally posted by raz0r
OMG anyone that's a guitar player knows Vai can smoke Eddie period. There is no comparison. Eddie is good at doing what he does, but he's not even in the ball park with Vai. Steve is alot more technical than Eddie. Much faster than Eddie. Eddie will get the popularity vote because he's been in the press alot more with Van Halen and his ex Valerie Berinelli than Steve has.

Laterz

NOT

[dave_is_vh]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
Yngwie has had NOTHING new in 20 years same ol' bllllll bllllll blllll bllll bllll bllll (faster than shit)....

Well Yngwie did compose and record the first ever classical concerto for electric guitar and orchestra a couple years ago. But, I guess that really isn't so innovative, huh.

[DR CHIP]

QUOTE]Originally posted by dave_is_vh
Well Yngwie did compose and record the first ever classical concerto for electric guitar and orchestra a couple years ago. But, I guess that really isn't so innovative, huh. [/QUOTE]

He was doing the same stuff though as he always does...re-cording new stuff does not mean it is "new" stuff...[

[Seshmeister]

Yeah and Derek Smalls wrote Jazz Odyssey the first free form Jazz exploration by a metal band.

Now that's innovative...

[street_lethal]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
Dude seriously get your head out of your ass...

I have the G3 show from Denver...Vai is INCREDIBLE...he plays better today than he used to...check out the live at Astoria video...awesome as well...both he and Billy play with the raw abandon they did with Dave...

Speed is only a part of playing...just like song writing...what matters is gettting it done and Steve does year end and year out...

No serious guitar player would say Staeve can't play like he used to...he rips...he is a shredder...to this day...

No one likes to hear Ed is done...BUT HE IS...

All I said in this thread is that if Steve and Ed got up today on stage...Steve would rip his ass apart...that is true...period...

Never said Ed wasn't a good song writer...but not today...he sucks....

Never said Ed couldn't rip....but not today....

Ed is dead....Dave isn't!!!!!

Dude, seriously get Vai's cock out of your mouth and stop sucking him off. Is he flipping you $10?

I already agreed with you in three seperate posts that Steve Vai has better chops than Eddie.

My point is now I don't think Vai plays as well as he used to. You think he does, I don't agree with you simple as fucking that clowny.

Considering I was into Vai back before Flexible and have heard a shitload of bootlegs and seen him live from the late 70's, 80's, 90's - now and can play his shit in my fucking sleep I think I would fucking know.

Best tune Vai has done since Passion and Warfare is Tender Surrender which I saw him fuck up live several times. I've also seen him fuck up a few other tunes at various shows.

The guy plays the same three string minor arp sweeps, same fucking taps, same bar licks, same legato shit(oh my... he puts his right hand behind his left to mute the strings, riveting), and to top it off he picks less than ever, his picking sucks dick now dude. If he had to play Eugene's trick bag live now he'd cry. Let's do it the Vai way though, don't ever play it live.

As for the G3 show you keep ranting and raving about it was bullshit.
You keep pimping Vai's performance but you don't mention Yngwie's performance which really is fucking funny since Yngwie tears Vai and Satch apart in the G3 2003 show. It was funny watching Yngwie blow out clean fully picked 32nd note lines and doing six string sweeps and doing bends like a maniac while Vai sat there and made whammy bar noises and did hammer ons(as...................usual....what's....new... .but he's getting it done...wink wink). And in the one attempt Vai made to do a fully picked line it sounded like a fucking mess. I was laughing my balls off. Fuck ..Yngwie even has better vibrato than Vai, you're too fucking stupid to hear that though.

Are you sure Vai's cock is not in your ear?

Yngwie get's it done better than Vai(Mr.Legato through a harmonizer) since Yngwie still has incredible chops...better than Vai's chops.


There's my rundown of your piece of shit performance by Vai at the G3 joke. Vai can't play like he used to....period...sorry.


David Lee Roth about Vai's playing:

"He plays like he's late for a dentist apointment"

Another good comment from dave about Vai's playing;

CR: So what happened? At the time, working with Vai and bassist Billy Sheehan seemed like such a masterstroke. You trumped everyone.

DLR: It ran into the dead end that is rock-fusion jazz-blues something or other, aka "widdley-widdley". When the guitarist starts going "widdley-widdley" it's a symptom. When I made those records with Steve it was an effort to get him to go under the bar; consolidate; give your guitar solo a beginning, middle, and end. What is the development of the character here? Is this guitar solo the same guy we met in the last three songs? Perhaps one is never so much oneself as when wearing the mask. And Steve's mask is that there is something greater than writing songs and simple emotional content.

CR: Which there isn't, of course.

DLR: Well, if there is, I ain't seen it, Sarge.

Dave's geratest guitarist was Eddie VH, don't ever forget that dopey.

You read that and take what you want from it there Dr.Hip, I mean Chip.

[street_lethal]

Originally posted by DR CHIP
It never ceases to amaze me everyone says Vai is faster...Vai is better...speed is only a small part of the pie...Steve plays some excellent slow and moving pieces...

Again on the Yngwie kicking Vai's ass...I have to disagree...speed wise OK, but why does it all come back to speed?????

Vai is technically brilliant and able to play ALL sorts of stuff...Yngwie is diatonic or die baby...period...

Ed, Yngwie, and Vai all have the gift of brilliance...truth though Ed lost it to the bottle, Yngwie has had NOTHING new in 20 years same ol' bllllll bllllll blllll bllll bllll bllll (faster than shit)....

But Stevie boy has really grown as an artist....wonder why he accompanies artisits at the Grammy's????

You're an idiot.

Yngwie plays with alot of feel and he plays fast.

I'm not into neoclassical anymore but when Yngwie blows out better blues than Vai on the same stage, I have to sit back and smile.

Vai keeps growing? Same old chops(which aren't even as good as in '86) but conatined in different songs is growing? Bullshit.

Grammys? Oh you mean that piece of shit performance with Nelly from a few years ago. Another joke.

As for your other rambling bullshit, Ed can stop playing today and whistle the VH tunes for the rest of his life and still be held in higher regard in rock guitar history 50 years down the road while Vai plays the Atittude song for 800 people on a postage stamp size stage in Idaho.

Now i'm done with you. Think about about the bullshit that dribbles from your mouth next time.

[street_lethal]

Originally posted by Seshmeister
Yeah and Derek Smalls wrote Jazz Odyssey the first free form Jazz exploration by a metal band.

Now that's innovative...

You know what Yngwie will be remembered for bring neoclassical to the forefront and helping shape a style that a ton of guitarist took up because of him. And he raised the bar forever. Sure he took alot of Bach stuff and used it but he defined a new sound and is a great player who kept his shit up.

Most guitatrist I met who put Yngwie down can't play his shit.

Uli Roth did some neoclassical, Blackmore touched on it, Randy touched on it Yngwie did it the best.

Ever see Vai in Alacatrazz trying to play Yngwie's licks? HAHAHA. His bends sucked, his vibrato sucked and he tapped alot of the lines Yngwie picked.

Vai playing blinfolded, I saw that clip too. He should be able to, he's been playing it for 15 years, who gives a fuck. By the way Billy Sheehan wrote that tune when he was in Talas.

I'll agree Eddie can't do it now or even back in the day.

Vai is a great player don't get me wrong but it makes me sick when people think he's the shit and is still the best. Fucking laughable.

If I came of harsh in my posts it's because I think it's bullshit somebody starts a thread on a public forum and acts likes he's annoyed when people have a countering opinion in the thread. If that's the case just create a blog and put your thoughts about Vai in that.

[JCOOK]

STEVE VAI BETTER THAN ED? PAALEEEESE- STEVE GOT HIS ASS KICKED BY THAT KARATE KID GUY!