Brad Starks says.....

[Plexi Head]

Originally posted by Plexi Head
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WTF??????????????????????????

Anyways, great post LookN4AMootBeat

[LookN4AMootBeat]

Thanks mate.

[Roth & Roll]

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
It's simple. The holdup is about money as it always is. Who gets what, bottom line.

Obviously.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
And you're damn right they're going to tour AND do an album because they know this is the right opportunity and it's basically the final product they have left to sell and make LARGE GREEN with. That's the only reason it's even happening, because the time and opportunity are there.

That boat left the port in 1996; the only people who gave a crap now were the hardcore fans...the few of us left anyway. From a commecial standpoint; it's 11 years too late.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
Ya, Eddie's a drunken dingbat with alot of problems, but he also knows the music business and the color of money. There are probably 10 different record producers waiting in line to try and get a piece of this action (people you never hear about), not to mention Dave too. After what happened in 96 it's no surprise that Dave's gonna make damn sure he doesn't get screwed..

10 record producers? You may want to reconsider that statement considering that this band does not even have a record contract anymore. We're talking about a band that has released a grand total of 3 new songs in 9 years. We're not talking albums, we're talking SONGS! And crappy ones at that may I add. Dave may have learned something from 1996, but obviously Edward certainly hasn't learned a damn thing; sadly Edward Van Halen and Fiasco have become synonymous.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
This is their last chance to make serious cake and they know it. After this one's over anything they do is going to be mediocre moneywise. Oh, they will probably do some really great music on future albums after this one but the Hall of Fame/ reunion ride will only last so long money-wise.

Eddie has already self sabotaged any chance at VH making serious cake. Whether it be the lack of positive PR, the lack of any new material to kick off any subsequent tour, or the fact that he still refuses to get his head straight. The fact that he even refuses to perform at the RRHOF speaks volumes about EVH at this point and time.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
If Eddie sobers/grows up and they keep getting along and doing great albums maybe it'll be another 10 year ride but that's a big maybe. So ya, this might be their last chance.

That's some wishful thinking on your part. Realistically, Edward will be dead in 24-36 months unless something drastic happens. I never thought that I would live to see the day where Keith Richards would be in better shape than Edward Van Halen. This was supposed to be Eddie's swan song and he aborted it before it even got off the ground.
EVH seems a lot more interested in cashing in on his past accomplishments (EVH Gear, Greatest Hits Albums) than he does in doing anything relevant in the now and present. Like it or not, we are witnessing the death of Van Halen unless a miracle happens. Their final window of opportunity is already 90% closed.

[LookN4AMootBeat]

There's only one necessary reply to you and it covers everything in your post:

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

--That boat wasn't even around in '96, not like it is now.

--They haven't done an album in so long because the "cash" opportunity has not been lucrative enough to tempt any producers for years. Believe me, the record company execs rule the music industry. If they don't think you're worth it they won't bother no matter who you are. RRHOF + Roth reunion = LUCRATIVE for them. Eddie can do all the recording in his studio he wants...but without a record company he's as much a shitbum as you and me especially in his twilight years and after all the unreliable shit he's pulled.

--Just because Eddie or whoever doesn't want to perform at the RRHOF doesn't mean anything. Besides, being honored means that SOMEONE ELSE should take the stage and entertain YOU while you sit at a table and wave and drink champagne. There's no rule that says an honoree has to perform.

It's going to happen, and for more reasons than the ones I've spelled out here. Reunion tour AND album. Mark my words.

[Roth & Roll]

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
There's only one necessary reply to you and it covers everything in your post:

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

--That boat wasn't even around in '96, not like it is now.

--They haven't done an album in so long because the "cash" opportunity has not been lucrative enough to tempt any producers for years. Believe me, the record company execs rule the music industry. If they don't think you're worth it they won't bother no matter who you are. RRHOF + Roth reunion = LUCRATIVE for them. Eddie can do all the recording in his studio he wants...but without a record company he's as much a shitbum as you and me especially in his twilight years and after all the unreliable shit he's pulled.

With all due respect, the RRHOF means squat. The only reason VH wasn't inducted sooner was because of the mess that they have become. To state that a reunion in 2007 would be more lucrative than 1996 is simply wrong for many reasons.

Van Halen in 1996 was still a household name which was still productive and in the mainstream and were still relevant to casual fans. In 1996 there were absolutely no doubts about EVH's skills. The same can definately NOT be said in 2007. Van Halen's stock and reputation have dropped drastically in the past 11 years. That is an undeniable fact.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
--Just because Eddie or whoever doesn't want to perform at the RRHOF doesn't mean anything. Besides, being honored means that SOMEONE ELSE should take the stage and entertain YOU while you sit at a table and wave and drink champagne. There's no rule that says an honoree has to perform.

It may not mean anything to you, but it sure as hell means a lot to me. I can't think of a better way that VH could have made a statement than to go up on stage and tear the house down. It would definately have made a statement not only to the music establishment, but to the general public as well that they can STILL tear it up. I can't think of a better way to promote themselves and get the public hungry for more. Look at how fast The Police sold out across North America simply by performing 1 song at the Grammys.

Once again, Van Halen is squandering a golden opportunity to give themselves some positive press for a change, and once again EVH is asleep at the wheel. Being honored DOESNT mean someone else should take the stage. It means giving a command performance to those who are honoring you. Traditionally that is the way it has always been done - especially when all the bandmembers are still alive. BLack Sabbath was the only other surviving band to do so but their circumstances were very different than those of VH.

Originally posted by LookN4AMootBeat
It's going to happen, and for more reasons than the ones I've spelled out here. Reunion tour AND album. Mark my words.

Unfortunately, I really can't share your optimism. I would love for your prediction to come true; but with the history of this band I honestly don't ever see it coming to fruition. I honestly hope that you're right. Only time will tell....

[Hyman Roth]

Damn good reading.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I believe that there will be a tour at some point.

Its not over by any means.

As for a new album, Dave seemed to be very positive over the prospects of one, so anything is possible.

Who knows.

[WACF]

As far as the Hall of Fame goes...it is shit...plain and simple.

Where is Kiss, Alice Cooper, Rush...

All I wanted out of the hall of fame was a chance to see Roth play with Van Halen...just for a fan.

It ain't gonna happen at the ceremony or at all perhaps...what I wanted out of the Hall of Sham is not going to happen...fuck it.

[Vinnie Velvet]

Originally posted by WACF
It ain't gonna happen at the ceremony or at all perhaps...what I wanted out of the Hall of Sham is not going to happen...fuck it.

Well yes, not at the Hall thing, no, but a tour with Roth is far from over.

It will still happen, IMO.