Nobody @ DLRArmy likes "It's About Time"...

[Lou]

You know the only "rawness" that the tone has is artificially induced. Rawness just has to happen on its own and then it's cool. Like Metallica's "St. Anger" tried to be raw and it was just garbage.

Raw is Light Up The Sky, Fools, Growth, Loss of Control, Outta Love Again, One Foot Out The Door, any concert from the club days through 1981. Raw is not Van Hagar.

[Dr. Love]

Originally posted by Lou
Oh God don't even try to compare it to classic Van Halen. And as far as the tone goes it's the same stupid tone as the 1998 Gayry tour. I hate that tone, it sounds like there's something wrong with the amplifier.

Here's how I describe the tones:

1978--the Formula One sound
1979--the razor edge sound
1980--the fat sound
1981--the brown sound
1982--the laid back sound
1984--the gritty sound (except the synth songs)

This sound: the 1998 Gayry tour sound

Hmm Hear About It Later, Dirty Movies, Fools, It's About Time...isn't there a Sesame Street song that goes along the lines of "One of these things is not like the other"?

Perhaps I was wrong, maybe it doesn't fit on FUCK. It fits on Venereal Herpes III somewhere between "Without You" and "Fire In The Hole."

Sigh.

If you listen to the composition, there are pieces of music that are reminiscent of each of these songs. It's like Top of the World is reminiscent of the end of Jump -- the pieces of music are VERY similar.

I'm not comparing the songs, I'm saying that pieces of the music sound very similar to pieces of these other songs.

As for "rawness", I'm talking in terms of tone alone. I'm not talking about how raw the song is, I'm talking about a lack of effects on the guitar and how it sounds more like it's simply a guitar plugged into an amp.

Don't feel like you have to overanalyze what I'm saying.

All I am saying is this:

The song sounds less like previous Van Hagar because it doesn't have a lot of processing done on the guitar. It sounds like a simple guitar into a simple amplifier. The music sounds like it is borrowing heavily on ideas from classic Van Halen songs, but doesn't manage to meld anything effectively.

[guwapo_rocker]

Ohhhh boy dear doctor....as a guitarist I can tell you right now..
that guitar has tons of effects on it!!! Sheeeeesh!!

[Lou]

Doc, sigh my ass. There is no fucking HEAR ABOUT IT LATER, DIRTY MOVIES, and FOOLS in that piece of shit! Give me the precise time in the track where you hear that and I'll listen to it and maybe I'll buy it. But if you just want to throw those titles out there to try and make some vague comparison to the real Van Halen, as if there actually is any with this song, I'm not buying it. I know you're hoping like hell that there is a comparison being an Eddie sheep but it's just not there.

And BTW I'm saying that other than the introduction it's EXACTLY like other Van Hagar shit. As it approaches the refrain it's got the mushy softiness that's trademark Van Hagar and Hagar's true to form annoying, squealing voice. No what this sounds like is RUNAROUND and HUMANS BEING okay? This is fucking Van Hagar all the way.

[Dr. Love]

Sure, I'll break down the times for you.

Fools:

The intro riff for It's About Time is reminiscent of Fools. It it has a low note (not sure which offhand) that goes up two whole notes at about :03 (like Fools) and then up another two whole notes at :06 or so (actually a note and a half and then two, but close enough).

I don't have the original songs ripped to my PC off hand, so I can't give you EXACT times on Fools, but it's the verse riff that starts right after the intro solo.

Dirty Movies:

This is more of something that I'm reminded of than anything concrete, I'll admit, but the time index that it reminds me of is at 1:39. It reminds me of the part in Dirty Movies where Dave goes "honey... (guitar/drum fill) now showbiz is so..." I just think of it when I hear that guitar/drum thing.

Hear About It Later:

This one is the most obvious to me because it happens in the same part of both songs and is similar. It's right at 2:28-2:29 in It's About Time, and I don't know the time index of Hear About it Later, but it's the bass/drum part for the solo.

The music is very similar, except for going up the scale (as in Hear About It Later), the music is going down the scale. Also, the difference is that in HAIL it's bass and drums, and IAT it's guitar/drums/bass.

Me Wise Magic:

This seems evident to me as well as it also occurs in roughly the same part and has a similar feel. It's a similar rythm between them and it occurs at 0:48 in IAT, and is a buildup to the Chorus (just like Me Wise Magic).


This also reminds me of the songs you mentioned as well, which was my entire point. It just seems like they're blending a whole bunch of ideas from their old songs into this without any idea of making it sound coherent at all.

As for my sigh, it's because I can't get my point across to you. You're very single-minded in your purpose and I get frustrated at not being able to express a point effectively to you no matter how many ways I try.

And guwapo_rocker, my point is that it sounds less processed and effects-ed than the rest of Van Hagar. There may be effects on this, but not to the point some of Van Hagar's other stuff is.


If I don't get any point at all across with this latest effort, I give up.

[Triumph]

Doctor, all you had to say is it is "used", like a bitch i have fucked since 1978. It sounds like Van Hagar in writing style and execution but sounds like Classic Van Halen in terms that Edward hasn't come up with anything new since 1985.

In other words, it is all "used" by way of technique and material, it is Edward Van Halen who has been Edward Van Halen since he picked up a guitar.
The tone? There are a shitload of effects on that guitar and as has been his problem for over a decade, it is way overprocessed like the cheese product Spameroo laid down on the vocal tracks, and has been doing since 5150.
What Van Halen needs is two things, Dave on vocals and a Marshall running on the edge with a Variac and a handful of footpedals.
It wasn't broke and he tried to fix it, you dig what i am saying here?

[Catfish]

Originally posted by Dr. Love
I don't mind the music so much, but it has a more modern edge to it. Reminds me of Godsmack and Disturbed, bands which I like. The vocals and melodies still turn me off.

You're fucking comparing new Van Halen to Godsmack and Disturbed. I rest my fucking case (before I even made one).

Godsmack and Distrubed should be imitating Eddie's sound, not the other way around. This is the classic example of how Eddie without Dave's influence is THROUGH. He's being inspired by the kids, not the other way around. Fucking sad, man. And so is this band.

[Catfish]

Originally posted by Lou
Doc, sigh my ass. There is no fucking HEAR ABOUT IT LATER, DIRTY MOVIES, and FOOLS in that piece of shit!

You know what? There probably is. With the massive amount of guitar overdubs Eddie relies on you could probably find those three riffs in there, as well as some Stairway to Heaven and maybe even a little bit of Kenny G.

[Catfish]

Fucking Dr. How Do I Know When It's Love.

My sweet CHRIST!

I have my own opinions about Van Hagar mods, but if by comparing this piece of BARF to anything on Fair Warning you have not offended every true blue Van HALEN fan...

I'm calling out for your firing!

[Lou]

Well yeah you might be right. Let's see there's a D chord in there (tuned down to make it a D-flat) and Dirty Movies has one of those.

There's an A chord (tuned down to make it an A-flat) and Hear About It Later and Fools have one of those.

And I'm sure it has a single note in there that's identical to a note in "Me Wise Magic".

So Doc is right, it DOES sound like those songs!

[Catfish]

This is fucking disgusting.

[fenway5150]

My God this person is obsessed with us.

[Dr. Love]

Wow, you guys are amazing. I try to make a point that I'm pissed off about new VH because it sounds to me like it's ripping off old VH, and you guys completely miss the point that I agree with you that I hate the new song and decide to go off on me for whatever reason.

Incredible. I told you I'm not comparing the songs, I'm saying that they are ripping off some of their greater songs.

Anyway, there's no point in trying to have a conversation with you guys over just about anything. You're blinded by your hatred of Van Hagar and your dislike of me to the point that you apparently aren't bothering to comprehend anything that I said other than "Van Hagar song... Van Halen song ... similar ..." and then getting pissed off over it.

Amazing.

[guwapo_rocker]

Anyway, there's no point in trying to have a conversation with you guys

Huh? What?

[Dr. Love]

The best part of this all is that in the last month I've went from casual Van Hagar fan to nuetral to disliking Van Hagar (with a continual slide to disliking them more and more), which I've stated several times in several threads on both boards, and you guys can't seem to grasp the fact that someone might have a change of opinion.