Do You Think Dave is Happy There is No Mike (apparently)

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I'd imagine David's train of thought right about now is "Oh well, it's better than nothing, I guess."

Of course, for those of us who see it as nothing more than just another watered-down, half-assed Eddie Van Halen-lead version of a what he wants his psuedo-Van Halen to be this week, it might as well be nothing. David's just there to sell some tickets, just the same as he was there in '96 to sell the best of album. Once again, Ed's dangled the carrot and Dave's acted like a rabbit.

Frankly, I'm to the point I'd rather have the memories than to watch them piss all over the legacy any further. Fuck all of them. My money's staying the fuck home and I'll just listen to my MP3 player. I've got plenty of good REAL Van Halen tunes on that.

I honestly care as much about this tour as I did about the Spamella Special 2004...which is to say not in the least...

Exactly!! And what a nice girl you have in your sig.

[Oxford]

Dave is going to look out for himself and the only one he has to worry about is Eddie and Alex moods swings.Michael Anthony dissed Dave numerous times and then had the never to ask Dave to jam with him during the Dave and Sammy tour.Dave was freaking smart not to jam with Michael on that tour.So bottomline I am sure for sentimental he would like Michael to be aboard but Michael has done some backstabbing of his own as well and made his bed and now has to suffer the consequences of his words.

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Vinnie Velvet
Actually it would be easier to duplicate the backing vox on an album, with a little studio magic.

I'm sorry man, but the thought of piping in Mike's studio vocals from the six is just gayer than Liberace's sequined pants and frilly shirts...

Yeah, I know bands like U2 do it all of the time. But at least the guy's piped in singing are also singing on the stage, and haven't been fucked over...

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Oxford
...but Michael has done some backstabbing of his own as well and made his bed and now has to suffer the consequences of his words.

Dude, that's complete bullshit. And if that's the criteria, why is Roth there? Hasn't he stabbed Edwad in the back?

Oh yeah, maybe Ed feels guilty for stabbing him back in spades with a fucking chainsaw, especially in 1996...

Fuck Ed. He's a complete cocksucker, and I refuse to blame Mike for anything other than maybe letting Ed fuck him over in 2004 - cutting out of the actual Van Halen family..er...band. (I guess I'm getting as cuntfused as Ed over the conceptualization of what the difference is...) And then making him a "paid player," which makes me sick to think that Dave probably has a similar arrangement.

[Terry]

Van Halen has been a band without any creative future for so long now...sadly that's not gonna change, regardless of what happens with the Van Halens touring with Roth this year (or next year, or never).

For me, new material is something that's gonna goad my interest. Short of that, I can't honestly say that MA being there or not really makes a helluva lotta difference. Would have to imagine Roth feels the same.

[Panamark]

Im betting Dave would be as happy as Mike
was when Dave wasnt there...

Didnt see Mikey shedding too many tears
in the Spammy/Ga y years...

[bueno bob]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
Exactly!! And what a nice girl you have in your sig.

Well let's pull up onto the sidewalk for ANOTHER look!

[Nitro Express]

Dave is estatic. Everyone that liked Sammy is now gone.

[gunnyhighway]

dutchman, u r rite about ed's talking before the rehab thing - he was really out of it... i guess there was a constant fog caused by alcohol in his head so that he was talking and thinking only bullshit at that time. the pics from that period say enuff!

[vh rides again]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh


Fuck Ed. He's a complete cocksucker, and I refuse to blame Mike for anything other than maybe letting Ed fuck him over in 2004 - cutting out of the actual Van Halen family..er...band. (I guess I'm getting as cuntfused as Ed over the conceptualization of what the difference is...) And then making him a "paid player," which makes me sick to think that Dave probably has a similar arrangement.

i can remember some years back,dave talking about money and the vh brothers.
he was talking about a fair cut and saying that he wasnt getting 25 percent in royalties. but i would be willing to bet that he is getting 25%
now,i doubt he is a hired gun.
after all this really is about him this time,isnt it?.
i couldnt believe that he is the lowest paid person on that stage,its gotta be 25%. if its not he should tell everyone to suck his teabag.

[TheRothMan]

Originally posted by diamondD
I would have to think that with all the spotlight on this tour, Dave would probably prefer to have Mike over there, simply because he knows Mike can get the job done. You don't have to worry about Mike showing up and ready to play. There aren't as many unknowns.

Agreed. It's kind of like fucking you neighbors wife. Yeah, she has bigger tits, but it just ain't right!

[ROTHisGOD]

Yes!

[Apocalypso]

Do I think Dave is happy Mike's out?

Considering he never called Mike by name in his book and Mike's publicly stated he was stunned (and not in a happy way) when he saw Dave at 5150 when they got together for the '96 MTV reunion telecast, I think Dave probably thought for a minute tops, that losing Mike was no more a dealbreaker on rejoining Van Halen than losing his solo band. For convenience's sake, I bet he'd rather have Mike in the band instead of Wolfgang, but fuck it, huh?

My take on the Mike situation is this.........

He was a significant component to the band's live presentation back in the day. You go and look on YouTube and dig up those old raw clips and in some songs, especially from the Diver Down tour onwards, he really carried a lot of the vocals. Getting one guy to play his decent but mostly unspectacular bass parts *and* do those nut squeezed backing vocals is a tough call. Dave never really found a single replacement in any of his solo bands that really carried it off.

I don't think Wolfbassboy can do it all. From all accounts, he'll be up there plunkin' away on the bass on step away from shittin' his drawers but he's not gonna be truly singing backup as well. Edward? He sounds like a cross between Roger waters and Lemmy form Motorhead these days. Not a good choice to sing backup on Dance The Night Away, imo. IMO, the honest thing for the band to do, sucky though it may be would be to get a trio of bimbos up there on the drum riser singing those harmonies. Using pre-recorded samples or worse, old samples of Mike is just flat out gay, I don't care how many bands do it. Van Halen isn't U fuckin' 2. Van Halen used to be 4 guys playing raw hard n' fast rock n' roll. No click tracks, no samples, no bullshit. They never had a producer like Brian Eno overdubbing 30 processed to hell guitars and enough sound effects to fill a casino on every song which meant they had to have "help" onstage to make the songs sound halfway like they should.

But hey, that said, I'm a realist. I don't make the decisions on who stays or goes in Van Halen or how they present their music on a stage. I got my glory years from '77 - '84 and even if it was the four original guys on stage this tour, it still wouldn't be anything close to what I saw back then. Nowadays, I check out maybe half a dozen "big" concerts a year outside of the occasional local band. There's very little out there that comes close to what I was used to seeing decades ago so even a 3/4ths reunion is entertainment enough for me. I don't need to piss and moan about how some guy got shafted in some fuckin' rock n' roll band on a daily basis. Fuck that noise.

I just wanna be entertained. Even if it's a trainwreck of epic proportions. I'm sure it'll beat falling asleep in the middle of the Genesis reunion.

T.B.

[thome]

Great post.

Here's some more.

ED went into rehab at Daves suggestion .(mop)Dave don't play with hacks or
Musicians who can't haul thier side.

I thought Ed was 3/4 dead when I saw him onstage with Chesney.

Music in the box little twit, no different than Brittney really doesn't deserve Ed up on stage granting them "Cred"Ed must have been HIGH!

Then the tour anouncement "We will be on the road in two months ."

Anyone who believed that... I got some Swamp land in Florida for ya.

It takes about a year to put this kind of band on the road. It probably takes two months to put a garage band on the road .

So my guess is VH came to these conclusions (tour agreement) for a reunion oct 06 or before.

When Dave saw ED in studio and meetings he probably was quite dissapointed and worried more for his -brothers- life than any tour.

I believe Dave can party harder than five of us but like I have learned
after many years of FUKKIN UP,Work first, Play later.Has kept Dave in top shape.

IT"S Business, It's a job,And the paycheck is worth a little suffering away from the bottle or rig or pipe.

I will never cut MA down, he worked as much as Roth, he went with Spam after VH dried up and has been on the road with his own band also, so work ethic wise, he has my vote for good dude.

I do feel that MA
and Roth have more bad blood perhaps than Ed and Dave had.

I do believe that MA and The Hagg like each other and MA may have been a problem for Roth/Van reunions because of his frienship with Spam.

So This Group of VH is by far the best in 23 YEARS if it works it will work very well.

There is also a future for a all CVH reunion someday.

I will take ED clean and sober all about business with Roth any day of the week, Alex on drums and any quality Bassman they can find.

[frets5150]

Originally posted by vh rides again
i dont think in daves mind its about the money

Come on man who you kiddin I read they were gettin 70 million bucks for just a US tour alone.Back in the day when they were hungry they would play for free.Now it's just a Cash Grab nothing more and I still say it won't last more than 15 shows.