Does Wolfie Mean There Will Be No 78-84 Live Stuff?

[Nickdfresh]

Well kiddies...

We know that when Ed puts his mind to being a lazy and vindictive cunt, he's mightily good at spiting ex-band members in every petty way imaginable. Not just in the sense of denying them membership to his namesake-clusterfuck of an organization - past track records indicate he also seems intent on preventing them from getting as little in residuals as is legally possible (i.e. reworking the WB deal, while he still had leverage, so that Dave was effectively cut out).

There has also been no commemorative DVD of the 2004 tour, despite numerous proshots reported. Maybe he's too embarrassed with his overall shit playing? but he could still find a way to make cash on it with a compilation of the few nights he was "on." But then he'd have to dole out duckets to "the other half."

So, does this mean that any future "live" material will only feature stuff from this tour? A dubious prospect at best, musically speaking...

Is this the last nail in the coffin of Ed's much vaunted "Vault?" No release of any sweet gems of live material from 1978 to 1984?

I think it does...

The only future live "Van Halen" material released will be from this tour. That is, if it doesn't go down as a flaming clusterfuck...

[sadaist]

Hadn't thought of that angle. But I wouldn't put it past Eddie to pull some shit like that. Anything to keep Hagar or Anthony from getting any more of "his" money.

[Nickdfresh]

And the fans from what they want...

[Little Lamont]

To tell you the truth, the quality of the boots has gotten good enough lately that I'm satisfied. I don't think we'd be that much better off with an official release of say, the Largo show or the US Festival.

Whatcha think?

[Satan]

I'd say that Velveetapalooza 2004 has been kept off the market because of Eddie's crappy performance. I doubt that Spam or Sobolewski have that much to do with it.

Even the US festival which was pro-shot and, if I remember correctly, broadcast live on Showtime as it happenned, was never released, supposedly because Eddie was not happy with the band's performance.

Granted, it wasn't their most "professional" performance, but it is a Hell of a lot of fun to watch.

[Nickdfresh]

I think he may have a hell of a lot more than that, though.

Weren't there a lot of people saying they saw cameras at more than a few 1984 shows?

What about both Ed and Dave keeping a jealous guard on all things soundboard, beginning with the the FW tour, and especially on the 1984 road?

There's got to be a lot of shit out there...

[Terry]

Would certainly be interested in seeing that 1978-1984 footage professionally cleaned up and officially released, but there's enough of it available out there in watchable quality that it's kind of a moot point in some ways.

Sure, it'd be great if the Van Halens made an effort to get the best possible quality of that material out there for the fans to buy, but they do what they wanna do, so fuck 'em. Let 'em be stubborn and miss out on the revenues and enable others to trade that stuff - or even sell the bootlegs illegally. If Ed and his brother can't be bothered to pick up a fat paycheck for a minimal amount of work in preparing a decent release for shows they played years ago that's just their tough shit.

Since I won't be going to see them should they reunite, it'd be cool if they did release the footage in a package as an accompanying bit of merchandise to a current tour, because on a personal level I'm more interested in that classic footage anyway.

If by not releasing the footage Ed is thinking somehow it'll make Wolfie's participation fall under less scrutiny or by magic cause everyone to forget that MA was in the CVH lineup, well, it's foolish to even bother trying to deny the past...however, the Van Halens have proven uncannily adept at making foolish decisions.

Who the fuck knows what Wolfie being in the band means? In all honesty, I'm looking forward to picking up KISSOLOGY Vol 2 on 8/14 way more than whatever announcement does or doesn't happen from the Van Halens on 8/13.

[Viking]

I think Ed's synapses are so overcooked from all the drugs and Loon, he's not capable of making a rational decision anymore. Maybe now that Dave and Al appear to be tight again, they'll hold a little sway over which marketing direction the bands goes.

[katie]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well kiddies...

We know that when Ed puts his mind to being a lazy and vindictive cunt, he's mightily good at spiting ex-band members in every petty way imaginable. Not just in the sense of denying them membership to his namesake-clusterfuck of an organization - past track records indicate he also seems intent on preventing them from getting as little in residuals as is legally possible (i.e. reworking the WB deal, while he still had leverage, so that Dave was effectively cut out).

There has also been no commemorative DVD of the 2004 tour, despite numerous proshots reported. Maybe he's too embarrassed with his overall shit playing? but he could still find a way to make cash on it with a compilation of the few nights he was "on." But then he'd have to dole out duckets to "the other half."

So, does this mean that any future "live" material will only feature stuff from this tour? A dubious prospect at best, musically speaking...

Is this the last nail in the coffin of Ed's much vaunted "Vault?" No release of any sweet gems of live material from 1978 to 1984?

I think it does...

The only future live "Van Halen" material released will be from this tour. That is, if it doesn't go down as a flaming clusterfuck...

What a load of fucking drivel.

Dave & ED have now sorted out royalties & publishing so they can now release quality footage from 78-84.

NEXT!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by katie
What a load of fucking drivel.

Dave & ED have now sorted out royalties & publishing so they can now release quality footage from 78-84.

NEXT!

Why would either be an issue? you dolt...

[katie]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Why would either be an issue? you dolt...

Right there proves you know fuck all about business.

All 4 are credited for writing.....
All 4 have to be in agreement for any new or back catalogue product (apart from Mike who signed his agreement veto away in 2004)

You are one fucking dumb mod.

But please carry on

NEXT!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by katie
Right there proves you know fuck all about business.

All 4 are credited for writing.....
All 4 have to be in agreement for any new or back catalogue product (apart from Mike who signed his agreement veto away in 2004)

You are one fucking dumb mod.

But please carry on

NEXT!

Again. Making shit up, are we?

Dave will get royalties either way concurrent with whatever agreement he had at the time of release, you twat...

And why would it be any different for Dave than it was for Mike? Dave effectively signed away any veto by leaving in 1985 and then negotiating a separate deal when he started EEAS...

[katie]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Again. Making shit up, are we?

Dave will get royalties either way concurrent with whatever agreement he had at the time of release, you twat...

And why would it be any different for Dave than it was for Mike? Dave effectively signed away any veto by leaving in 1985 and then negotiating a separate deal when he started EEAS...

You are a lost cause Nickelfresh you really are.
I work for Musicweek a music industry trade mag in the UK.
I know what i am talking about (you clearly do not)

You are a lonely old man who is just a fan of Van Halen.
That does not mean you have any music business knowledge (see above) LOL

This is a good site but it is let down badly by ill informed muppets like you.

NEXT!

[jharp84]

Noel Monk - ex band manager was stated(I believe in roth's book) to have a pro-shot concert of every tour!! We know they were recorded! I would bet that Dave is lobbying big-time to have something from the past released!! We just have to wait and see! However I do believe Edward is extremely insecure about releasing the CVH footage of any kind!!

[ROTHisGOD]

It Will Happen!