"Jump" Greensboro debacle explained by Ed's former tech..

[naturochem]

I know we've beat this subject to death, & perhaps it's old news now... but I don't remember reading about what Totman said, or what several other idustry tech's had to say about this. Lonnie says GUITAR!!

"Lonnie Totman (Ed's ex- guitar tech): It was 100 percent a guitar issue. All of Eddie's guitars, except one, are tuned to E flat. He typically has one in E, a half step off, for a couple of songs, and he was either handed that one or he grabbed it. A lot of people on the net are saying it was a sample rate issue, that's impossible. Ed is actually playing that part, recorded into ProTools, and with ProTools, if you want something to play back at a different sampling rate, it won't allow it in that session, you have to set up a whole new session. Plus, the keyboard guy on their tour is one of the most together guys I know, so it simply wouldn't happen. I even confirmed with the Van Halen camp, it was all Eddie.
In other words: Eddie played a guitar that was sharp. Or what Randy Jackson would call "a little pitchy.""

Full interview with Lonnie; Ozzy tech, Clayton Janes and keyboardist, Chris Vrenna.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

It's all fine!... I mean, if this is all we get as far as issues...

[naturochem]

Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise
It's all fine!... I mean, if this is all we get as far as issues...

I fully agree, but the whole "sampling rate" scenario never quite set well with me. It appears that Lonnie found out from Ed's new tech that Ed banged the neck of his guitar pretty hard which knocked the entire guitar out of whack....

Dump it if ya want, but in light of how much time was spent on debating this, I thought some of the "crue" would be interested...

[LoungeMachine]

Indeed.

But what did Lonnie have to say about Wolfie's vox/playing being piped in?

Or Dave's lack of Back Bends?

or the mysterious blue cloud at the gas station....

or why An Coulter has an Adam's Apple....




Seriously, good find, chem.

But reat assured, we'll see 5 more dupes about it shortly....

[PlexiBrown]

Eddie played a guitar that was sharp.

I guess it didn't dawn on his tech to bring him one properly tuned then?

[Roy Munson]

Lonnie Totman has been kicked off various gear pages. Go figure.

[Hardrock69]

That is all well and good, but I would rather hear an explanation of why Ed destroyed his monitor in New Joisey.

[diamondsgirl]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Indeed.


Or Dave's lack of Back Bends?

lounge, do crazy people know they're crazy? :D

[Hyman Roth]

Originally posted by PlexiBrown
I guess it didn't dawn on his tech to bring him one properly tuned then?

That was my impression - remember walking out of the arena I said something about it. It sounded like his guitar wasn't properly tuned. The bass seemed to fit with the keyboards, the problem was definitely with the guitar. But it didn't matter one bit - half the auditorium didn't even know the difference and the band kicked so much ass prior to 'jump', they could have come out and did an a capella version of The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" and it wouldn't have changed a thing about how incredibly awesome the Greensboro performance was.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Originally posted by naturochem
I fully agree, but the whole "sampling rate" scenario never quite set well with me. It appears that Lonnie found out from Ed's new tech that Ed banged the neck of his guitar pretty hard which knocked the entire guitar out of whack....

Dump it if ya want, but in light of how much time was spent on debating this, I thought some of the "crue" would be interested...

I didn't mean this "Jump" bug isn't interesting: it IS, of course!
I just meant we could be witnessing serious trouble by now, like tour ending threats because of "personal issues", or "artistic differences"...

That said, no doubt the Mighty Van Halen messing a tune - and the last one in the set, in addition, and... the most "popular", the one people will easily find on youtube, including that very missed version... - is something to be dealt with here!

[VAiN]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
But it didn't matter one bit - half the auditorium didn't even know the difference and the band kicked so much ass prior to 'jump', they could have come out and did an a capella version of The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" and it wouldn't have changed a thing about how incredibly awesome the Greensboro performance was.

+1 on that one!

[ALMOSTsaved]

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
But it didn't matter one bit - half the auditorium didn't even know the difference and the band kicked so much ass prior to 'jump', they could have come out and did an a capella version of The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" and it wouldn't have changed a thing about how incredibly awesome the Greensboro performance was.

EXACTLY! As my girlfriend and I were walking out everyone was still chanting "ED-DIE, ED-DIE"...I almost wish I would've filmed that and tacked it on to the end of the "Jump" video to show that the audience members who were actually there, didn't even really give a fuck. The rest of the show was fucking phenomenal.

Incidentally I was listening to my boot of the show last night on the way home. In the middle of "And The Cradle Will Rock..." Dave says, "Don't fuck with me while I'm singing." Does anyone know what that was about? I didn't catch it while I was there.

[ALMOSTsaved]

Anyone?

[Diamondjimi]

Whew !
Glad this issue is cleared up. Now I can finally get some sleep!

Good work naturochem!:D

[saint]

Originally posted by ALMOSTsaved


Incidentally I was listening to my boot of the show last night on the way home. In the middle of "And The Cradle Will Rock..." Dave says, "Don't fuck with me while I'm singing." Does anyone know what that was about? I didn't catch it while I was there.

Do you mean rigth after the "Have You Seen Wolfie's grades"?