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  • thome
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Mar 2005
    • 6678

    Van Halen 1984 Transfusion into 2007

    I have been waiting -Several Months- now ,for one of the wordsmiths around here, (University or at least High School graduated ).

    To -Confligrate- the -Comparisons- to this -Sceensceen- time related discussion.

    I never post in -The Main- cause ,most of what popps thru my Brain is BS.

    OK ...

    In the year 1984 Van Halen had a certain look and sound it was as it had allways been, Dave, Ed, Alex, Mike,and the extras that make things happen.

    There were -Fans- galore and much smiling of the masses.

    Then Dave left or was asked to fukk off, who really knows.

    The band was split up.People were unhappy because -Things- were not as they should be.... or as -Normal- as to not disturb the wants of so many.

    Dave went on to his Gig and VH had Spamuel Gror Raybar as a New Singer.

    There was a big split in the fan base also.

    Some said,( read this sentence well),"Fukk it, it is still Van Halen ."

    That is when the big discussion began -Who is Vah Halen-," is it still a vialble VH."

    With Sam.

    Then Spam was out and Dave was back. (fukk all the in-between).

    Is this Incanation of VH the exact same thing to so many.As the 84 split was to -ALL-

    CVH is still locked in 1984 but they have a new bassplayer.

    It's like the last twenty years never happend....or did it...?

    Dave never left what happend was a new bassplayer was hired this is what we have now.

    Would the -FAN SPLIT-(a world wide talking point of historically recorded magnitude) have been as """"Important to Music History""" as the loss of, THE FRONT MAN.

    There are Haggis fans who say this is not VH because of thier Want of how it should be.

    There are CVH fans who say this is not VH without MA.

    Is this the healing of the original wound or is this just another Dave fronted band.?

    What I am unable to relate to you is -This Wound- that was created in the fan base in 84 in anyway over?

    It will never be CVH in CBGb's in 77 or Max's KC or at the US Fest.

    We had (2) TWO camps in 85 do we still have 2 camps or -Are- thier a even more diverse complication of VH fans now.?

    CVH ...........VHagar..........VanCherone.......VHWOLF Mode....?

    Is -This Incarnation- of the band that Roth Fronted in 84 in anyway even close to what we wanted back.?

    Is the SPLIT in the fans here at this board even half as Rabbid as the
    Split of 84........?

    Is this -ENOUGH CVH- to be called Classic Vah Halen is BACK?

    This thread is not about Van Halen it's about the people who went off with Van Hagar and just brushed Roth fronted VH off.

    Are the fans who say Roth was VH Happy without Mike?

    If Mike was replaced in 84 and Roth -NEVER LEFT VH- would there have ever been -The Great Van Halen Controversy-.

    One of the most important Musical talking points in the history of music.

    Or would the ones of us who went- Violently with PASION- with Roth have simply said what most CVH fans said, Vah halen with Sam is still VH.

    Are WE the ones who say Dave is back and without Mike is still VH.

    Are we those guys who stayed with VH and Sam exactly the same as them .

    If we are all for this -Band-are we 2007 version of the Fukk Dave crowd of 1984?
    Last edited by thome; 12-23-2007, 04:01 PM.
  • 113
    Foot Soldier
    • Jun 2007
    • 635

    #2
    Michael Two Faced Anthony is Van Halen history!

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    • thome
      ROTH ARMY ELITE
      • Mar 2005
      • 6678

      #3
      Originally posted by 113
      Michael Two Faced Anthony is Van Halen history!
      Roth is Van Halen!

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      • thome
        ROTH ARMY ELITE
        • Mar 2005
        • 6678

        #4
        Roth and Ed -ARE- Van Halen.

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        • thome
          ROTH ARMY ELITE
          • Mar 2005
          • 6678

          #5
          This band is so hot who cares who is van halen .

          Are we looking for it to be 1984 again?

          Who here who has seen th 2007 show wouldn't want to see another?

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          • hideyoursheep
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2007
            • 6351

            #6
            Re: Van Halen 1984 Transfusion into 2007

            Originally posted by thome
            In the year 1984 Van Halen had a certain look and sound it was as it had allways been, Dave, Ed, Alex, Mike,and the extras that make things happen.
            Not to me. That was when things were changing. The fans of Sam Huggies jumped on the VH bandwagon @ that time. It was a different energy prior to 1984-period. Those who came to the party late were more accepting to the downgrade. That's my opinion.


            CVH is still locked in 1984 but they have a new bassplayer.
            It's like the last twenty years never happend....or did it...?
            Locked in '84? Not quite. The balls are back, but hardly like taking a step back into the time machine. Ed just don't have it like he used to. Still better than any version since 86, however.





            There are Haggis fans who say this is not VH because of thier Want of how it should be.

            WHo cares what THEY think!

            There are CVH fans who say this is not VH without MA.
            Well, it's not CVH. It's really never going to be,but it's much more digestable than being fronted by Sammy Buffet.

            Are WE the ones who say Dave is back and without Mike is still VH.
            If the bassplayer situation happened in 85 with
            DLR still up fron no one would have given two shits. But ED keeps fucking with the chemistry, and that pisses alot of CVH fans off.
            I don't blame any of them for feeling that way, but whaddya gonna do?

            I gotta take a dump..

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            • thome
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Mar 2005
              • 6678

              #7
              Grab Me a Beer on your way back .lol

              Good post.
              -------------------------------------------
              If the bassplayer situation happened in 85 with
              DLR still up fron no one would have given two shits. But ED keeps fucking with the chemistry, and that pisses alot of CVH fans off.
              --------------------------------------------

              I have been searching old posts and most were deep and dark when it came to the thought of the reunion, never happening.

              The last 3 or 4 months have really made me feel great.

              I do feel great that these guys are really showing that with great effort, no doubt, we can't even see.

              This Meld of Dave and Ed was and is no hack BS.

              Being a Roth fan and seeing Ed wailing away on the same stage.

              Words fail me .....

              The Past is gone.

              The Quality of this Tour crushes all doubt.

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              • Terry
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jan 2004
                • 12125

                #8
                Van Halen in 1984 was still considered to be a band with a future ahead of them in terms of continued musical output with the CVH members.

                1984 was also a year that the instrumentation continued to shift in subtle and not so subtle ways (Jump, I'll Wait) towards what eventually became the Van Hagar sound.

                The only time I got to see the band was in 1984, and the live show was astounding in some aspects (the size of the stage production, the sheer spectacle of seeing the band who were on top of the rock heap performing live) and not so great in others (extended bass, drum and guitar solos along with a lot of lengthy Roth stage raps - a lot of self indulgence by ALL the band members, to the point where they would only do a few songs at a time live before someone took a solo turn).

                Live, Ed was still at the top of his game in 1984, as far as his guitar playing went. Roth wasn't putting as much effort into his vocals as he was into his physical showmanship.

                From what I've seen and heard of the 2007 tour so far, Roth is making a concerted effort to get the vocals down as best he can. The band is serving up a lot more songs and keeping the waffle down to a minimum. Ed clearly is not playing as well as he used to back in those end days of CVH, but he's playing well enough...better than I thought he was capable of. The stage show isn't over-the-top to the point of distracting from the music.

                I don't really see the "band" as one with much of a future in terms of putting new music out there. I'd like to think I'm wrong, but it doesn't feel that way. In some ways it feels like a business arrangement, but the upside is the endeavour has been well-rehearsed enough to bring a pretty good bang for the buck, which is an earmark of good business practices.

                These days, I don't really have much concern about what's going to happen musically for the group down the line, or what the future is going to bring. Of course, it isn't Classic Van Halen. I'll agree with anyone who asserts that era of the band is gone forever; this goes a bit beyond Anthony being there or not.

                At this stage of the game, it's really a chance for the band to end it in an upbeat manner, rather than dissolving amidst a bunch of alcohol-fueled and ego-driven acrimony, which is pretty much where have been at for the last ten years among just about ALL the members of the group (past and present). Hagar and Anthony may have problems with how things ended and what the band is doing these days, but none of that really matters much anymore.

                Van Halen 2007 is a chance to listen to a set full of what (to me) are some of the greatest rock tunes, ever, served up by the only less-than-total CVH lineup configuration that has been remotely acceptable since the 1985 split. In some ways, it IS settling for less, but in other ways what is happening with the group is more than I could have reasonably hoped for or expected even as recently as ten months ago...so I'm gonna get some while the gettin's good, before I can't get this stuff no more.
                Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                • hideyoursheep
                  ROTH ARMY ELITE
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 6351

                  #9
                  Unfortunately, I had to miss the '84 tour when it came to town. I caught the daytime Monsters Of Rock (without the full set or setlist) version on Labor Day weekend in Europe behind AC/DC. Definitely not the same, I'd bet.

                  I'd give that post 5 stars, Terry, but it appears I already gave 'em to ya.

                  But I have to say, once you've seen the real deal like I did in '80 and 81, you're spoiled. It ruins any chance of accepting any other frontman in VH.

                  That's why we're all here.

                  That and the tits in BuenoBob's sig.

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                  • Terry
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 12125

                    #10
                    The tits in buenobob's sig are quite astounding, agreed
                    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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                    • letsrock
                      Veteran
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1595

                      #11
                      I enjoy the spinning Ohio State helmet, just as LSU will leave them.

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                      • NATEDOG001976
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 2370

                        #12
                        From the live stuff I've seen on DVD VH was a lot better in 1980 than 1984, I think. Dare I say they sound better now than they did in 1984? Yes!
                        http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8...19yc8872wu.jpg


                        http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5...0269il5.th.jpg




                        Originally posted by fuckhowardstern - dude - you sounded cool as a cucumber - totally relaxed and spoke with authority - must say I was a bit surprised but you sounded really at ease - super cool-like.

                        Originally posted by DavidLeeNatra - nate, you are the fucking attention whore of the day and you DESERVE it

                        Originally posted by Jérôme Frenchise - BTW, bravo NATE! Soon Dave will mention the Army by himself!

                        Originally posted by franksters Have you heard Nate properly, We now moved up to an ''Organisation'' Awesome man!!
                        Roth army....more than an army....it's a gr8 Organization!!

                        Originally posted by Northern Girl
                        Nate, so cool. I'm listening to the Dallas feed, so it'll be coming up in a while. Can't wait!

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                        • Romeo Delight
                          ROCKSTAR

                          • Feb 2005
                          • 5172

                          #13
                          Originally posted by thome
                          This band is so hot who cares who is van halen .

                          Are we looking for it to be 1984 again?

                          Who here who has seen th 2007 show wouldn't want to see another?
                          That is about it Thome.

                          If it sounds good, then it is good.

                          People not seeing the show and critisizing it for lack of a bassplayer is pretty funny actually.
                          sigpicRoth Army Canada

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                          • bueno bob
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 22951

                            #14
                            75% of Van Halen just doesn't interest me, I don't give a shit who's singing or what they're playing.

                            But on the plus side, yes, my sigs are grate.

                            Twistin' by the pool.

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                            • letsrock
                              Veteran
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 1595

                              #15
                              Van Halen 1998 sounded best.

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