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  • Firebrand
    Roadie
    • Jun 2004
    • 103

    An Old Guitar Player Weighs In

    First off, let me say that I saw VH in Jacksonville, and loved every moment of it. The review you'll find on the front page I wrote was my newspaper column for the week (every Wednesday in the Thomson newspaper group, circulation around 3 mil or so), and I meant every word of it. It meant a lot to me to see the boys showing how it's supposed to be done.

    Anyway, let me chime in on what I believe may be wrong with Eddie. I don't believe it's cancer or back on the bottle personally. The last cancer checks he had were good, and I just don't see him imploding on the sauce in full sight of his own son.

    However, we all know he has been fighting either some carpal tunnel, tendonitis, or plain arthritis in his wrist and left hand since this tour began. That is common knowledge.

    I don't know how many of you have arthritis, but if you are a guitar player that has been playing for 30 or so years (as I have) and you've played for untold countless hours (as I have), arthritis in your fingering hand can be a flat bitch to deal with (as I have tried). And, there ain't a whole lot out there that just gets rid of it - you control it to a degree and just do the best you can.

    If you've ever had tendonitis, lots of ibuprofen or something of the sort to reduce the swelling and rest are all you can do to stay functional. It hurts like a mutha.

    Rest or surgery are the only remedies for carpal tunnel. Again, very painful, and can be debilitating if you aren't careful.

    Where I am heading with all of this is that any one of these could very very easily explain what has happened. No scandal though - just old age reminding Ed that it is firmly entrenched.

    NOW, with all that said...there is a chance that pain killers might have something to do with something. Depending on what it is, a combination of anti-inflammatories and painkillers would be quite normal (been there, done that)...and with someone who has had some dependency issues along the way...I'm just saying...

    I really think when the wash is hung out to dry we'll find out all of this drama surrounding these postponed dates isn't nearly as "shocking" as some have speculated (of course, with the history at play here, I can understand the pessimism).

    I just know that from all indications short of some incredibly crappy sound production/guitar issues, this tour has been nothing short of amazing overall, and Eddie has really given the outward appearance that he has really enjoyed being onstage with DLR and Wolfie moreso than we've seen in 20 or so years from him.

    But he ain't no spring chicken (none of them are...ok, so maybe Wolfie...), and the combination of time and mileage do take a toll - especially on the fingering hand of a speed demon.

    FWIW....
    Last edited by Firebrand; 03-05-2008, 11:17 PM.
    With a rebel yell, she cries "more more more!"...
  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    #2
    Originally posted by Firebrand
    However, we all know he has been fighting either some carpal tunnel, tendonitis, or plain arthritis in his wrist and left hand since this tour began. That is common knowledge.
    Excellent post bro, but where is this "common knowledge" ?? In my view, this would be rather an educated guess or speculation...

    I'm just saying, I've never seen anything mentioning those symptoms....
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    • NATEDOG001976
      Veteran
      • Apr 2004
      • 2370

      #3
      It's all good, give Wolfie a box of Ding-Dongs before the shows. See you in Duluth!!!
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      • jhale667
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 20929

        #4
        Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
        Excellent post bro, but where is this "common knowledge" ?? In my view, this would be rather an educated guess or speculation...

        I'm just saying, I've never seen anything mentioning those symptoms....
        Nor have I, but as a guitar player with carpal (got it from years of data-entry shite, not playing guitar), I CAN state with authority it can suck...badly.
        One thing you need to do is warm up longer, and more slowly...
        Billy Sheehan has had problems with it as well, did an ad for a local doctor he saw for treatment...
        But I know (from friends having it) if you have surgery for carpal, you are down for a minimum of 3 weeks...sometimes up to 6 months...

        Adrian Vandenberg fucked up his wrist doing some weird stretching excercises years back and couldn't play for a YEAR...
        Last edited by jhale667; 03-05-2008, 11:46 PM.
        Originally posted by conmee
        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

        That is all.

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        Originally posted by Isaac R.
        Then it's really true??

        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
        Originally posted by eddie78
        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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        • Terry
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Jan 2004
          • 12123

          #5
          It's possible Ed has some kind of physical affliction (carpel tunnel, tendonitus or arthritis, to whatever degree), although I'm in the same boat with Va Beach VH Fan in that this is the first time I've heard about him battling this since the tour began. Not to say it's not true, but:

          1) If he's been battling it since the tour began, why add on a second and third leg?

          2) He's got a history of chronic replapses in terms of his alcohol abuse, so I can't rule that out, regardless of his kid being there or not (remembering how Eddie looked by the time 1996 rolled around, sporting the hobo appearance, complete with meth mouth).

          The man just didn't look well at the Tampa gig. Sadly, his playing reflected that. With ticket prices the way they are and expectations for this reunion being as high as they are, anything less than 100% doesn't get a pass or an honorable mention, regardless of the reasons.
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          • Firebrand
            Roadie
            • Jun 2004
            • 103

            #6
            I've seen several photos posted here...

            ...of Eddie with a wrist-wrap on his left wrist during shows...that screams of some serious issue to me (someone help me out here on that - I don't know how to go back and find photos on here)...and if my memory serves me (which is questionable) some of those pics were from very early in the tour...if he was starting off fighting the crap, the months now of touring could very well be taking a toll.

            And the fact that one night he is flamethrowing (as he was for the most part in Jax when I saw them) and then suddenly completely off his game the next (which sort of became a pattern it seems) indicates that physical problems are at the core of what was causing the problem. I can attest first hand that with arthritis-type issues if it isn't killing you it will be after you play for a couple of hours of intense playing.

            I noticed him several times at the Jax show "rolling" his left wrist, one time flat pulling on it like he was trying to pop it...and again, have been there, done that.
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            • Firebrand
              Roadie
              • Jun 2004
              • 103

              #7
              And as far as adding tour legs...

              ...it ain't like you are completly incapacitated with this stuff...like I said, it is very off again/on again...and I'd bet you a dollar that Eddie's worst shows have come off stretches when they've played the most just before...I just know that if I don't play for a week or so, I can play like I'm 25 again, and do so for several hours if needs be - but if I do, then for the next few days, then I'm a mere shadow of what I was.

              What's that song? I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good as I was once....

              That might be the theme song of what's happening here.
              With a rebel yell, she cries "more more more!"...

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              • 5150Clown
                Head Fluffer
                • Mar 2004
                • 334

                #8
                Guys... too much drugs and alcohol take a toll on ya and Ed's living proof.
                "If Eddie & Dave would put asside their egos, Aerosmith would have to give up their tittle of the 'Greatest American Rock Band'"

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                • GaPeach64
                  Full On Cocktard
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 24

                  #9
                  I was at the Atlanta concert and Dave and Ed both seemed fine. I didn't expect the stage gymnastics -- it was all about the music. Only complaint was the horrible sound equipment issues. You'd think the crew would at least get that right. Anyhow, I read comments in reviews from the Atlanta and several of the Florida concerts. Some noted you could tell his hands looked bad up on the jumbo screen. That big screen didn't hide anything for sure. Reading the Tampa comments, I had even thought about the flu since its been so bad. I also considered he would have to be careful of any medicine. I just hope he's taking care of whatever it is. Its getting kind of pointless to keep speculating.

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                  • jhale667
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 20929

                    #10
                    Re: And as far as adding tour legs...

                    Originally posted by Firebrand
                    ...it ain't like you are completly incapacitated with this stuff...like I said, it is very off again/on again...and I'd bet you a dollar that Eddie's worst shows have come off stretches when they've played the most just before...I just know that if I don't play for a week or so, I can play like I'm 25 again, and do so for several hours if needs be - but if I do, then for the next few days, then I'm a mere shadow of what I was.

                    What's that song? I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good as I was once....

                    That might be the theme song of what's happening here.
                    I agree, there's times when it's not COMPLETELY debilitating...Weren't they pretty much doing the night on/night off thing, or are there consecutive dates?
                    I must admit I haven't checked the tour schedule recently...
                    You must have it WAY worse than me, dude...though I can totally relate to the wrist roll/pop thing (and have cramped up in the middle of a set before...OW),
                    even after my worst flare-ups can't remember being down for days at a time...still hurts, but not THAT bad...
                    Sorry to hear that...

                    Actually, I'd LIKE to think I play better than I did when I was 25, but my best friend heard me recently - was overseas with the military for years...and he's like "You don't QUITE play as fast as you used to, huh?"
                    And here I thought I was developing "taste" and "restraint", not cramming a million notes in every solo...

                    But any other guitar players out there notice Ed's wearing his guitars a LOT lower these days?
                    He used to wear it pretty high for a "rock" dude, and it takes more effort to alternate-pick as quickly (and precisely) as he does/did with it slung lower...
                    Perhaps that may have contributed to an injury?
                    Last edited by jhale667; 03-06-2008, 12:44 AM.
                    Originally posted by conmee
                    If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                    That is all.

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                    Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                    I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                    Originally posted by Isaac R.
                    Then it's really true??

                    The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                    OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                    Originally posted by eddie78
                    I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                    • Hummarstra
                      Commando
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 1196

                      #11
                      I actually thought about the possibility of Ed having arthritis as well. But, never mentioned it here, only to my girlfriend. I'm a guitarist and like some of you guys I fucked my hands up royally. Long story, but I can only barely play today.
                      Last edited by Hummarstra; 03-06-2008, 03:07 AM.

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                      • binnie
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • May 2006
                        • 19145

                        #12
                        I'd like to think it's a genuine medical problem (not that I'm wishing illness on Ed), but history would seem to suggest booze is the more likely culprit.
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                        • if6was9
                          Head Fluffer
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 369

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Terry
                          1) If he's been battling it since the tour began, why add on a second and third leg?
                          Third leg - you mean the middle one?
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                          • ELVIS
                            Banned
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 44120

                            #14
                            Originally posted by 5150Clown
                            Guys... too much drugs and alcohol take a toll on ya and Ed's living proof.
                            That's still the direction i'm leaning towards, although my prayers go out to Edward, in hopes of this not being the beginning of a debilitating life threatening disease...


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                            • Roth & Roll
                              Foot Soldier
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 727

                              #15
                              Originally posted by 5150Clown
                              Guys... too much drugs and alcohol take a toll on ya and Ed's living proof.
                              Agreed.

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                              An insider says, "It was the big what-if of the tour - whether Eddie could stay sober."

                              "Wolf hates it when his dad drinks. He knew Eddie was drunk onstage that night, and was acting cold to him, which set Eddie off. Eddie went beserk and started yanking guitar cables from the pedal boards and throwing cigarettes around onstage."

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