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  • Firebrand
    Roadie
    • Jun 2004
    • 103

    My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

    I have been a Halenite since 1979...bought tix to see the Women & Children first tour, but Dave threw a rod in his back and the show was axed. Finally got to see them on the 1984 tour, felt like I was watching some kind of other-world creatures performing...they seemed almost more than human, if that makes any sense. A meshing of power, show, skill, tension, that-butterflies-in-your-belly oomph...you name it, if had anything to do with what rock is supposed to be and be good, they had it in spades.

    Then the split, and Hagar. 5150 (good record, by the way) came out, and I thought, OK, not bad at all. Caught the tour...Sammy (who I like, by the way, too) offered something different live than Dave, but his contribution was more "musical" - for sure not magical.

    And therein lies the rub.

    Eddie is still producing some great music. Crap, he's the best rock guitarist ever. Rock today doesn't need more music - it needs magic, something it just doesn't have very much of anymore.

    That's what this tour, which probably isn't horrible in the grand scheme of things, cannot create. Magic. Pure and simple magic, like we all have seen and heard before. It has never reached that level with Sammy.

    Van Halen is not about a bunch of guys getting up there and being all lovey dovey. It's about one guy doing all he can to show the other one up for two hours, and I mean each one of them...pushing each other into the outer limits of comfort and creativity.

    It all comes down to this: I fear the chapter we all wanted to read in regard to this band is all over. It will take at least three years to incarnate another incarnation of the band (if that happened), and by that time, too many of us real fans are just not going to give a crap. Hell, so much for THEM being too old - WE will be too old. David Lee, less than a decade away from his 60th birthday? Think about that.

    I love what the real Van Halen was - but to be honest with you, I just am not interested in the repaved road this band has to offer. I don't really want to buy any new songs from them, and I won't spend a big chunk of money on something that was already dead before the plug was pulled on it the first time around.

    There is a part of me that really aches thinking of what might have been, what could have been. I am shaking my head as I write this...it really hacks me off - but you know, there's too much to life to just sit and stew. I've moved on, and most of you have, too.

    I know he will hate reading this, because I have true admiration for him...but I feel sorry for Diamond Dave in a way...again, it's all about what could have been. I know some on here are "happy" for him and feel "good" that he isn't in on what's happening with Eddie and the boys, but I for one am not.

    I wish he were right there in the middle of it, grabbing whatever remaining moments that alchemy between them might be able to create.

    It's all about the magic, and I fear it has left the building for just about every one of us.
    Last edited by Firebrand; 06-30-2004, 12:15 AM.
    With a rebel yell, she cries "more more more!"...
  • MUSICMANN
    Sniper
    • Apr 2004
    • 837

    #2
    Right on dude. I am afraid that all that energy and attitude they once had died along time ago, even if some of us here won't admit it. I am one who would love to see the true VH band back togeither, but time is not on their side, or on anyone's side for that matter. The tour that's going on right now will make a lot of money for the boys, but it 's not making the true fans happy. I still believe that they could play all those old tunes and new ones better than they ever did, but the magic was left in their youth and in all those great performances they did back then. You can only be young once and once youth pasts you by, there's no getting it back. The magic that the origional band had doesn't come along very often in the music scene,( very hard to come by these days) they are just not the same band with Sammy, you are right they are more musical, but not at the same time. The only band that had their type of magic was Zepplin, and with all their troubles from what happened to bohnam, even if he would have lived time would have gotten them to, just as it has caught up to VH. Who know's what is in store for the boys, i hope that it will be a full fledged reunion with Dave, That needs to happen before one of the members get's sick or od's or gets killed in a accident. But if one of those things happens, or they never gives us true fans waht we really want, thats life and there's nothing anyone can do about that.

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    • scottydabodi
      Crazy Ass Mofo
      • Jun 2004
      • 2541

      #3
      Could this be MAGIC?

      Hail Brother!! Well spoken. The magic is fucking gone. Even if Dave was there, Eddie's heart isn't, and I guess his technique isn't EITHER. He really let himself go down the shitter... damn shame...
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      The Mob Rules

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      • DavidLeeNatra
        TOASTMASTER GENERAL
        • Jan 2004
        • 10715

        #4
        amen, brother...I guess the quote from alexis van halen about the attempt to reunite in 2000 wasn't that wrong "it was ill-fated, it never materialized and it just went away..."

        and the longer you see that van walton tour going...with sons and daughters...mamas and papas...capris and sandals...you see that dave doesn't fit in this world anymore...the magic has gone...sad but true...there will never be a comeback of the diamond one with the lying durchmen and fatty anthony...

        yeah, ed...some things are better left to memories...do you hear your own words?
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        • DR CHIP
          Foot Soldier
          • Jan 2004
          • 618

          #5
          Ed WAS a great guitar player....

          Needs to spend less time blessing water and learn to play fuckin' Unchained right....

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          • EmpyreLounge44
            Foot Soldier
            • Jun 2004
            • 724

            #6
            Re: My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

            great post and i think time is definitly against them in terms of working with DLR again. Everyone here says that Van Halen is DLR but in the same breath say that it was about the two (Ed,DLR) trying to one up the other...as much as you all think VH needs DLR, he needs them just as much. DLR is in the press almost every day that VH plays, but only in a historic sense. He was the singer of VH before being replaced by Sam, etc.

            Never caught the band with DLR at the helm and would have liked to...a big part of me doesnt want that to happen now after seeing DLR solo. As bad as all you complain about Sam butchering the old stuff, i can not imagine DLR doing any of the Hagar songs and I know many of you see that as a positive but its just realy dumb and childish that if these are the only two options, then half of the catalog will always be ignored.

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            • DavidLeeNatra
              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
              • Jan 2004
              • 10715

              #7
              well...I can't find anything wrong in ignoring the hagar catalogue...but that is also a reason for the lying dutchmen never reuniting with dave...
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              • Figs
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jun 2004
                • 2945

                #8
                Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
                As bad as all you complain about Sam butchering the old stuff, i can not imagine DLR doing any of the Hagar songs and I know many of you see that as a positive but its just realy dumb and childish that if these are the only two options, then half of the catalog will always be ignored.
                The Hagar half of the catalog sucks.

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                • Hollywood Jesus
                  Head Fluffer
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 361

                  #9
                  Re: Re: My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

                  Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
                  ...then half of the catalog will always be ignored.
                  Trust me, musical history will ignore that half of their catalog as well. Most rock radio stations already do. Not a shot; just the truth.

                  Vintage Van Halen was such an amazing alignment of the universe that I also doubt these players can ever recapture the Magic. However, I've seen glimpses of it from younger players.

                  I saw it in the BulletBoys. Unfortunately, I saw it in Nirvana for a season. Nice shot, Kurt. I see a little in The Darkness. You may or may not agree and may have seen others...

                  But precious few with the talent of Original VH has ever pushed themselves to greater heights.
                  "Float like a butterfly. Sting like a B-52." - DLR=VH=
                  "Rejoice in the wife of your youth. May her breasts satisfy you always." Proverbs 5:18-19.

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                  • EmpyreLounge44
                    Foot Soldier
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 724

                    #10
                    Re: Re: Re: My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

                    I can agree with that but you cant just pretend like it didnt happen...everyone agrees that that is what is going to kill this current tour, the whole "pretend the split didnt happen" mentality. One can certainly argue that "Right Now" is VH's biggest commercial hit...and no I don't have sales numbers but I would say that that and "Jump" are the most recognized Halen songs.

                    I don't see "IT" in the Darkness like you do...and I like them don't get me wrong. I just think the novelty of them will not be able to be maintained. Just look at them now..."Thing Called Love" was played but none of their other tracks have been picked up yet on a mainstream level.

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                    • 5150Clown
                      Head Fluffer
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 334

                      #11
                      It's embarrasing that the younger generation go see this so called "Van Halen". The great band of the late 70's, early 80's. What they'll see is a pathetic version of it.

                      Today Van Halen is basically Eddie's solo project with Alex drumming away and making sure Eddie doesn't get too drunk,....mike on the puppet strings and a new Jimmy Buffet (I'll agree with everything) Spam.
                      "If Eddie & Dave would put asside their egos, Aerosmith would have to give up their tittle of the 'Greatest American Rock Band'"

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                      • Coyote
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 8185

                        #12
                        Re: Re: Re: My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

                        Originally posted by Hollywood Jesus
                        Trust me, musical history will ignore that half of their catalog as well. Most rock radio stations already do. Not a shot; just the truth.

                        Vintage Van Halen was such an amazing alignment of the universe that I also doubt these players can ever recapture the Magic. However, I've seen glimpses of it from younger players.

                        I saw it in the BulletBoys. Unfortunately, I saw it in Nirvana for a season. Nice shot, Kurt. I see a little in The Darkness. You may or may not agree and may have seen others...

                        But precious few with the talent of Original VH has ever pushed themselves to greater heights.
                        Let's not forget Hanoi Rocks. With Razzle behind the drums, there was more magic than a Siegfried & Roy show.
                        Why settle for something you have, if it's not as good as something you're out to get?

                        Originally posted by Seshmeister
                        It's like putting up a YouTube of Bach and playing Chopstix on your Bontempi...

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                        • DR CHIP
                          Foot Soldier
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 618

                          #13
                          Sammy created some magic with that banana thing....

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                          • Baby's On Fire
                            Veteran
                            • May 2004
                            • 1747

                            #14
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: My Take on the Tour, Dave, etc.

                            Originally posted by Coyote
                            Let's not forget Hanoi Rocks. With Razzle behind the drums, there was more magic than a Siegfried & Roy show.
                            Right up until Vince Neil killed him.

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                            • Firebrand
                              Roadie
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 103

                              #15
                              Say what you want...

                              ...but rock hasn't really seen magic since U2 exploded on the scene. And that was 20 years ago.

                              They were completely original, cool, and rocked. Nada since. Nirvana flirted with it, but couldn't sustain.

                              There has never - NEVER - been anything that touched the original VH lineup for the combination of fun, musicianship, and show - sheer rock "oomph." Not Zep, not Stones, nobody, no how.
                              With a rebel yell, she cries "more more more!"...

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