MTV: An Open Letter To Van Halen: Please Do Not Make An Album

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  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    MTV: An Open Letter To Van Halen: Please Do Not Make An Album

    I must admit, he has some valid points....

    MTV brings viewers the best in lifestyle and competition reality shows, plus live events featuring the biggest names in entertainment.


    Understand this: I love Van Halen. Like, seriously adore them. Whereas I have a deep understanding of bands like Radiohead and the Hold Steady and Soundgarden, my feelings for Van Halen are entirely visceral. Whatever chemical reaction happens when you really like a song happens thirty times stronger every time I queue up "Panama" or "Hot for Teacher." According to my pleasure centers, those first few Van Halen albums are absolutely perfect. I recognize that they are sort of empty (frontman David Lee Roth really only sang about his sexual conquests and his potential sexual conquests), but they make me feel good anyway. Let me put it this way: If I were to rank my 20 favorite songs of all time, there would probably be three Van Halen songs in there ("Panama" and "Runnin' With the Devil" would be shoo-ins, with "Everybody Wants Some!!" probably sneaking in there towards the end).

    So it would be logical that I would be excited about the concept of the band hitting the studio for a new album with David Lee Roth at the helm. But really, it just fills me with dread. And it fills me with dread because even though I love Van Halen, their batting average with new music is way, way down over the past, oh, 20 years or so.

    Let's make another thing clear: As soon as Roth left the band to pursue solo work, Van Halen ceased being Van Halen. They became Van Hagar, and they became infinitely less interesting. Sure, they had moments of occasional transcendence (OU812 has some reasonable moments, and "Poundcake" pretty much rules), but they mostly trafficked in stuff like "Why Can't This Be Love" and "Right Now" — huge hits, to be sure, but lacking in the fierceness of their early work.

    But with Roth back on vocals, shouldn't that be cause for rejoicing? Not necessarily. Back in 1996, Van Halen released Best Of Volume I, which contained a bunch of the band's hits and a pair of new tracks with Roth on vocals (this was after they had that one disastrous album with Extreme's Gary Cherone singing lead). They made a big deal out of Roth's (short-lived) return (the "reunion" lasted only a little longer than their appearance at the MTV Video Music Awards in 1996), but one thing that sort of got overlooked was the fact those two new songs — "Can't Get This Stuff No More" and "Me Wise Magic" — aren't any good at all. "Me Wise Magic" definitely tries to hit the heights of the earlier work, but ultimately the stuff comes up short. It's possible that Roth wasn't really ready to work at the time, or it's possible that the band was still in the mindset of writing for Cherone, or it's possible that they just forgot what made them great in the first place.

    So you could approach this one of two ways. Either you think that Eddie Van Halen has been writing continuously for a decade-and-a-half and will have his pick of hundreds of compositions for a great album, or you think that Eddie lost his touch years ago and has no hope. Either way, I only want to live with Van Halen II and Fair Warning and Diver Down. Roth and Eddie are both icons, so making new music will only diminish their legacy. Because once you're written "Jump," all you can do is fall.

    What do you think of an idea of a new Van Halen album? Let us know in the comments!
    Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

    "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

    "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    #2
    My .02...

    1) The gap between 1984 and 2010 cannot be overlooked, in several viewpoints. Not only in the age of the band themselves, but with Roth's voice, a possible lack of fire/energy, etc....

    2) Specifically pointing towards MWM and CGTSNM is unfair as to what we would see with a new album. Contrary to what many people say here, I agree with this dude, I don't like either of them.... On MWM, they had Dave singing way too high, and it sounded like crap....
    Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

    "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

    "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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    • chefcraig
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Apr 2004
      • 12172

      #3
      Yeah, when Dave goes for that upper register stuff, you really feel like cringing. And he was doing it as recently as the Diamond Dave album, on the "Thug Pop" track. I didn't notice it so much on "MWM", mainly because his vocals had so many treatments on them it could have been Robert Plant toward the end of Led Zeppelin.









      “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
      ― Stephen Hawking

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      • Romeo Delight
        ROCKSTAR

        • Feb 2005
        • 5174

        #4
        Some of my favourite moments from the last tour were the blues influenced improvisations.

        They should do what comes naturally now...not necessarily trying to recreate what they did in the past.

        I think VH is capable of an incredible album, but not if it is bogged down in a vision that some producer buddy Edward hand-picked.

        Chances are pretty slim it will be great but not impossible.
        sigpicRoth Army Canada

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        • indeedido
          Veteran
          • Feb 2004
          • 2293

          #5
          Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan

          Back in 1996, Van Halen released Best Of Volume I, which contained a bunch of the band's hits and a pair of new tracks with Roth on vocals (this was after they had that one disastrous album with Extreme's Gary Cherone singing lead). ........ It's possible that Roth wasn't really ready to work at the time, or it's possible that the band was still in the mindset of writing for Cherone, or it's possible that they just forgot what made them great in the first place.

          Wasn't Ghey Halen circa 1998? Nice fact findings from a big fan that "adores" them.
          Last edited by indeedido; 08-11-2010, 06:44 PM.
          This space for rent.

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          • ThrillsNSpills
            ROTH ARMY ELITE
            • Jan 2004
            • 6627

            #6
            I'm having She's My Machine flashbacks when I see you guys bring up Dave singing high. He sounded like he was doing Robert Plant moves with the Uh Yeah and at the time I thought he was responding from the criticism of years past about his range. I agree that that doesn't work for him.
            However, whether you like or even remember Take Savara it's proof that he can still deliver in the studio even though that was a couple years ago at this point. it comes down to the quality of the songs, and there's got to be a lot to choose from. I don't care if the lyrics are any good or not, just the general vibe of the song and the quality of the performance has to be there obviously, and I think they'll do all they can not to deliver a bad album.

            And seriously, for the guy who wrote that piece, if the thought of them doing another album is something he can't handle, then just don't buy or listen to the damn thing. Fuck the tarnished legacy shit, everyone has ups and downs.

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59635

              #7
              OU812 has some reasonable moments???

              That guy's on crack. That album was the third worst thing Eddie ever put his name on. VDIII was the worst for a while, but the three Van Hagar songs from 2004 definitely stole the title.

              5150 has some reasonable moments, because half the songs were originally written as Van HALEN songs. FUCK even has some reasonable moments, aside from the lyrics and vocals. But OU812?? Totally unlistenable. (Sad thing is, Dave didn't do all that better in 1988, as Skycrapper was his weakest album.)

              But there are NO Van Hagar or Van Danniels songs better than the two Van HALEN songs from 1996. None. Only a sheep would say otherwise.
              Last edited by FORD; 08-11-2010, 07:15 PM.
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              • chefcraig
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Apr 2004
                • 12172

                #8
                Originally posted by indeedido
                Wasn't Ghey Halen circa 1998? Nice fact findings from a big fan that "adores" them.
                I mentioned that to the nitwit, in the "comments" section.









                “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                ― Stephen Hawking

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                • GAR
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10881

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
                  My .02... On MWM, they had Dave singing way too high, and it sounded like crap....
                  Sounded fine to me! But then again, I DIDNT buy it due to yet another split.

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                  • ThrillsNSpills
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6627

                    #10
                    And seriously, isn't MTV a reality channel now?
                    What right do they have to comment, when's the last time they even played a Van Halen video?

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                    • GAR
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10881

                      #11
                      Originally posted by FORD
                      OU812 has some reasonable moments??? OU812?? Totally unlistenable.
                      Girlfriend of mine had a copy, so while I can't say I never listened to it at least once, I can't recall anything likable.

                      I do remember alot of UN-likable screaming, and having to track-advance the next song.

                      Guess I skipped right thru some "reasonable moments"..

                      You know what? Come to think about it: I really HAVENT heard the whole thing thru and I don't give a shit either way if there was a toe-tapper or two in there because of all the shrieking shit on it from the singer.

                      UNPALATABLE should have been the operative word here in the article..

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                      • GAR
                        Banned
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10881

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
                        And seriously.. when's the last time they even played a Van Halen video?
                        Oh that's an easy answer: Last Weekend.

                        You see, the parent owner of MTV created a bait-n-switch channel called VH1. Sometimes you see MTV sitcom reruns, sometimes rock-docu movies interviews or actual Music Videos there.

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                        • sadaist
                          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11625

                          #13
                          Originally posted by FORD
                          OU812 has some reasonable moments???

                          That guy's on crack. That album was the third worst thing Eddie ever put his name on. VDIII was the worst for a while, but the three Van Hagar songs from 2004 definitely stole the title.

                          5150 has some reasonable moments, because half the songs were originally written as Van HALEN songs. FUCK even has some reasonable moments, aside from the lyrics and vocals. But OU812?? Totally unlistenable. (Sad thing is, Dave didn't do all that better in 1988, as Skycrapper was his weakest album.)

                          But there are NO Van Hagar or Van Danniels songs better than the two Van HALEN songs from 1996. None. Only a sheep would say otherwise.

                          ABSOFUCKINLUTELY CORRECT!

                          It's like you & me share our VH brain cells. (Although i think you have been more mean to yours with the microbrews)


                          The only difference is with the 3 Hagar songs from 2004 and Cherone III album. How can you really say which is worse? I mean, once something is so bad, it is really indecipherable from something else just as bad. I'm having a hard time explaining, but I think you catch my drift. Both equally awful groups of songs and it makes me sick to think of listening to them carefully enough to say which group is worse.

                          I actually liked Eddies porn songs better than Up For Breakfast or It's About Time.
                          “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                          • BITEYOASS
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 6530

                            #14
                            BITEYOASS: Open letter to MTV.

                            Go fuck yourselves! And play some fuckin music for a change, preferably music that doesn't deep throat donkey dick. While your at it, take those stupid fuckin reality shows off the air, NOW!

                            Miserably Yours,

                            BITEYOASS

                            P.S. If you don't like that, then go eat a dick!

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                            • sadaist
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 11625

                              #15
                              I suppose the only "moment" OU812 had was Cabo Wabo. Not that I like the song mind you. But any tune a guy can take and turn into a $100 million + idea could be considered a "moment". He took 1 song idea, turned it into quite the lifestyle and empire. Funny thing though...nowadays I bet most people that go to that bar in Cabo San Lucas during Spring Break have not even heard the song.
                              Last edited by sadaist; 08-11-2010, 08:16 PM.
                              “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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