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  • BrownSound1
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Mar 2003
    • 3025

    A bit of reflection

    I was talking with my son today and he asked me why I disliked Sammy Hagar being in Van Halen....So after some thought..(I have to watch my language around the kids) I began telling him the story of what happened way back when. I'm going to share my thoughts...some may agree, most will disagree, but I don't care. This is how I see it.

    When Dave left Van Halen I was heartbroken. I didn't know why he decided to bolt, and at the time I thought he just figured he was big enough to break off on his own. Anyway my favorite band was gone, and I wondered what would become of the members. I figured Dave would do very well on his own, but I just couldn't imagine what the remaining members would do without him or who could replace "The Greatest Frontman in Rock History." It was a troubling time indeed, especially knowing they almost had an album in the can.

    I remember quite vividly hearing tons of rumors about replacements for Dave...all star record, Patty Smythe (sp?), etc. None of those seemed right in my mind. Then I remember catching Eddie on the Farm Aid benefit, and Hagar was playing with him....didn't think much of it really, just figured they were jamming. Anyway, along comes the announcement that Hagar was going to front the band. I certainly didn't blame Hagar for taking the job...you'd be a fool not to take something that big if you were offered it. I was very curious as to how they would sound, especially knowing Hagar played a bit of guitar himself, you know I thought it could be interesting.

    Jump forward a bit and the new Van Hagar song Why Can't This Be Love is on the radio. I remember hearing it and thinking "Where's the blistering guitar?" I couldn't believe it to be honest...that's NOT Van Halen. However, I gave them a chance and bought the album. I could hear glimpses of the old VH, but this was different shit. Not totally awful, but not what I was expecting at all. I had not yet gotten to the point of hating Hagar..but it wouldn't take long.

    Ok...here is where it gets hairy....At first, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I thought Hagar was o.k., not spectacular, but not terrible. That changed as soon as I heard the opening of Dreams and Love Walks In. I've always hated ballads of that sort, and I took great pride in the fact that Van HALEN didn't do love ballads. Here comes Sambo, and Eddie pulls that shit out. I was hoping it was just Ed releasing some creative tension, knowing Dave wouldn't stand for that type of song. Boy was I wrong!!

    Now, on April 1, 1986 I go to see Van Hagar in concert. I was counting on them playing a kick ass show of Van Halen tunes...however, much to my dismay they don't. Opened the show with You Really Got Me I believe...then later I hear Panama, Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, and finally Jump. I was like...where the fuck is Runnin' With the Devil...Romeo Delight, Unchained, Hot for Teacher, etc. I was fucking PISSED. Van Hagar plays their new shit, then instead of busting out one of the old tunes they go into Wild Thing. I just couldn't believe they weren't playing what they were known for. Plus, I got REALLY pissed at the way Hagar fucked up the Panama rap, and his refusal to actually sing Jump. Big mistake Samuel Roy Hagar! The only thing I loved in the whole show was the solos...even though I had heard it all before on previous tours. :D

    Next show I catch that year is none other than David Lee Roth. Now this show is what I remembered a Van Halen show to be. Dave's stage even had that VH wall of white speakers look. He broke out most everything I wanted to hear at the Van Hagar show. His band kicked total ass...although I didn't care for Gregg Bissonette's playing that much. I thought that Dave had taken all of the magic with him when he left, and I really didn't give Van Hagar much of a chance after that.

    So...here's the thing....this is where I really thought Sammy should fuck off. Sammy started getting involved in the Ed, Al, Mike, vs. Dave thing. First off, he had no fucking right to say a damn thing about Dave. I know you guys have seen Live Without a Net....there is a part where Sammy picks up some chick's shoes and asks everyone if the shoes are theirs. He says, "Hey Eddie, are they yours? They sure as hell ain't mine....must have been left up here by someone else," and Eddie is giving him the cut sign..as in "Sam, shut the fuck up." An obvious reference to Dave, I do believe. If I remember correctly he also makes a reference that he has a pair of balls and can't do the splits or a jump or some shit. I haven't seen that video in years..so it's a little cloudy. Anyway, he was making another reference to Dave....which shows NO class.

    I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this babbling is, I would not have disliked Hagar so much if he had done two things. One was keep his fucking mouth shut and stay out of the feud. The other was acknowledge the old stuff. His refusal to do any of that besides just a handful of tunes really shows you what kind of person he is. One thing I'll say for Cherone is he did appreciate the old stuff...that's about all I'll say for him though.

    Enough from me...my Jack Daniel's is wearing off.
  • Sarge's Little Helper
    Commando
    • Mar 2003
    • 1322

    #2
    I was talking with my son today and he asked me why I disliked Sammy Hagar being in Van Halen....So after some thought..(I have to watch my language around the kids) I began telling him the story of what happened way back when. I'm going to share my thoughts...some may agree, most will disagree, but I don't care. This is how I see it.

    When Dave left Van Halen I was heartbroken. I didn't know why he decided to bolt, and at the time I thought he just figured he was big enough to break off on his own. Anyway my favorite band was gone, and I wondered what would become of the members. I figured Dave would do very well on his own, but I just couldn't imagine what the remaining members would do without him or who could replace "The Greatest Frontman in Rock History." It was a troubling time indeed, especially knowing they almost had an album in the can.

    I remember quite vividly hearing tons of rumors about replacements for Dave...all star record, Patty Smythe (sp?), etc. None of those seemed right in my mind. Then I remember catching Eddie on the Farm Aid benefit, and Hagar was playing with him....didn't think much of it really, just figured they were jamming. Anyway, along comes the announcement that Hagar was going to front the band. I certainly didn't blame Hagar for taking the job...you'd be a fool not to take something that big if you were offered it. I was very curious as to how they would sound, especially knowing Hagar played a bit of guitar himself, you know I thought it could be interesting.

    Jump forward a bit and the new Van Hagar song Why Can't This Be Love is on the radio. I remember hearing it and thinking "Where's the blistering guitar?" I couldn't believe it to be honest...that's NOT Van Halen. However, I gave them a chance and bought the album. I could hear glimpses of the old VH, but this was different shit. Not totally awful, but not what I was expecting at all. I had not yet gotten to the point of hating Hagar..but it wouldn't take long.

    Ok...here is where it gets hairy....At first, and I can't believe I'm saying this, I thought Hagar was o.k., not spectacular, but not terrible. That changed as soon as I heard the opening of Dreams and Love Walks In. I've always hated ballads of that sort, and I took great pride in the fact that Van HALEN didn't do love ballads. Here comes Sambo, and Eddie pulls that shit out. I was hoping it was just Ed releasing some creative tension, knowing Dave wouldn't stand for that type of song. Boy was I wrong!!

    Now, on April 1, 1986 I go to see Van Hagar in concert. I was counting on them playing a kick ass show of Van Halen tunes...however, much to my dismay they don't. Opened the show with You Really Got Me I believe...then later I hear Panama, Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, and finally Jump. I was like...where the fuck is Runnin' With the Devil...Romeo Delight, Unchained, Hot for Teacher, etc. I was fucking PISSED. Van Hagar plays their new shit, then instead of busting out one of the old tunes they go into Wild Thing. I just couldn't believe they weren't playing what they were known for. Plus, I got REALLY pissed at the way Hagar fucked up the Panama rap, and his refusal to actually sing Jump. Big mistake Samuel Roy Hagar! The only thing I loved in the whole show was the solos...even though I had heard it all before on previous tours. :D

    Next show I catch that year is none other than David Lee Roth. Now this show is what I remembered a Van Halen show to be. Dave's stage even had that VH wall of white speakers look. He broke out most everything I wanted to hear at the Van Hagar show. His band kicked total ass...although I didn't care for Gregg Bissonette's playing that much. I thought that Dave had taken all of the magic with him when he left, and I really didn't give Van Hagar much of a chance after that.

    So...here's the thing....this is where I really thought Sammy should fuck off. Sammy started getting involved in the Ed, Al, Mike, vs. Dave thing. First off, he had no fucking right to say a damn thing about Dave. I know you guys have seen Live Without a Net....there is a part where Sammy picks up some chick's shoes and asks everyone if the shoes are theirs. He says, "Hey Eddie, are they yours? They sure as hell ain't mine....must have been left up here by someone else," and Eddie is giving him the cut sign..as in "Sam, shut the fuck up." An obvious reference to Dave, I do believe. If I remember correctly he also makes a reference that he has a pair of balls and can't do the splits or a jump or some shit. I haven't seen that video in years..so it's a little cloudy. Anyway, he was making another reference to Dave....which shows NO class.

    I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this babbling is, I would not have disliked Hagar so much if he had done two things. One was keep his fucking mouth shut and stay out of the feud. The other was acknowledge the old stuff. His refusal to do any of that besides just a handful of tunes really shows you what kind of person he is. One thing I'll say for Cherone is he did appreciate the old stuff...that's about all I'll say for him though.

    Enough from me...my Jack Daniel's is wearing off.
    Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.
    "I decided to name my new band DLR because when you say David Lee Roth people think of an individual, but when you say DLR you think of a band. Its just like when you say Edward Van Halen, people think of an individual, but when you say Van Halen, you think of…David Lee Roth, baby!"!

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    • tjvhou812
      Full Member Status

      • Mar 2004
      • 4216

      #3
      well dave was great in vh,but he walked out...

      you dont like dreams or love walks in.

      but did you like california girls

      or just a gigalo..

      when i heard that shit i was pissed....

      i mean dave left the greatest band in the world to make a shitty record
      Originally posted by RIKK

      Now, tj was indeed a major cunt. Indeed, he probably still is.

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      • Panamark
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jan 2004
        • 17161

        #4
        In Australia we had no idea who Spammy was. His solo career
        was unheard of here. I heard Dreams, etc off 5150 thinking, this shit
        really sucks. All of this before I even knew what he looked like.
        Then the videos from 5150 !! Heres this nerdy looking Poodle Headed
        fucker with a headset on poofing around in front of Van Halen.

        It was that moment where I started to hate him.

        Now hate is a powerful word, in real life I dont hate the guy as a
        person (yeah yeah, even with all the bullshit he spouts),
        but I hate him in Van Halen. It was a really bad choice as a
        replacement for Dave. If they got some athletic long blonde
        haired charismatic dude, who had a good rock voice, you
        would think, ok Fair enough. But Sammy is more suited
        to Chicago, Journey REO Speedwagon type of balladeering.

        So its not only his voice, but his look and image. This is
        why I hate the dude.

        Hey, if I met him in real life, I would probably have a beer
        with the dude. But he really shouldnt be in Van Halen.
        BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
        Love ya Mary Frances!

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        • ELVIS
          Banned
          • Dec 2003
          • 44120

          #5
          Awesome post Brownsound!

          100% my feelings and recollection...

          You brought me down memory lane...

          I was living in seattle when I heard Why Can't This Be Love...

          I remember thinking .. Where's the guitar ???

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          • BrownSound1
            ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
            • Mar 2003
            • 3025

            #6
            Originally posted by tjvhou812
            well dave was great in vh,but he walked out...

            you dont like dreams or love walks in.

            but did you like california girls

            or just a gigalo..

            when i heard that shit i was pissed....

            i mean dave left the greatest band in the world to make a shitty record
            In regards to Dave doing California Girls, etc., I had no problem with him doing that. Dave was the ONLY hard rock singer I could think of that could do tunes like that and pull it off. Certainly no different than VH doing Big Bad Bill or Happy Trails....which I believe were done to be humorous. At least he didn't sneak around and do it like Edward did by playing on Beat It.

            FYI, Dave made the Crazy From the Heat EP while he was still a member of Van Halen. The first album he made when he left was Eat 'em and Smile, and that is anything BUT a shitty album.

            Love Walks In and Dreams were too out of character for VH. California Girls and especially Just a Gigalo were perfect for Dave to do, and it was something you'd expect out of him. (Again the humor thing, and not taking yourself too seriously)

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            • ELVIS
              Banned
              • Dec 2003
              • 44120

              #7
              Just A Gigalo and California Girls are both better than any of the Van Hagar "hits"...

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              • Panamark
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jan 2004
                • 17161

                #8
                They were huge hits in OZ. In fact I believe they were bigger radio hits here, than any of the following Van Hagar songs..
                BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                Love ya Mary Frances!

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                • guwapo_rocker

                  #9
                  Originally posted by tjvhou812
                  well dave was great in vh,but he walked out...

                  you dont like dreams or love walks in.

                  but did you like california girls

                  or just a gigalo..

                  when i heard that shit i was pissed....

                  i mean dave left the greatest band in the world to make a shitty record
                  Fuck Off Monica.

                  Dave left because the sisters were to busy drinking to

                  record a follow up to 1984 and Dave grew tired of waiting

                  for them to run out of beer.

                  How many times does Dave have to repeat that he

                  grew tired of trekking out to 5150 daily only to find Ed

                  unwilling to work.

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                  • ashstralia
                    ROTH ARMY ELITE
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 6566

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Panamark
                    They were huge hits in OZ. In fact I believe they were bigger radio hits here, than any of the following Van Hagar songs..
                    you still see cali girls on the pay tv
                    music channels EVERY DAY.

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                    • Panamark
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 17161

                      #11
                      Damn Foxtel and their new Irdeto encryption,
                      I miss watching all that...
                      BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                      Love ya Mary Frances!

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                      • bru87tr
                        Commando
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 1211

                        #12
                        Dave left cause he was tired of waiting for lazy Ed and alex to get off their asses to make a new record.

                        as a matter of fact Dave did his solo stuff just to keep busy and did many interviews stating VH is not broken up.

                        there is more behind it than any of us will know and we all know it starts with Ed.

                        the way he kicked sam out the last time im sure he told dave to go and be a solo artist.

                        it was never daves intention to leave VH. those guys wanted to start doing things their way and there are thing we will never know that led up to dave being out.
                        "I've been rich and I've been poor....rich is better, totally better"

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                        • Panamark
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 17161

                          #13
                          Ed and Al had gotten lazy and Dave was still totally driven by ambition..
                          BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                          Love ya Mary Frances!

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                          • BIGBADZERO
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 374

                            #14
                            Sam has just as much of a right to talk about Dave as Dave has a right to suck my cock. Now Dave, a little more to the right a little more.

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                            • Panamark
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 17161

                              #15
                              Hey BigbadZero, I have never banned anyone. But you appear to be a really deserving person... You going to start debating intelligently or are you just here to post shit ??

                              Heres your chance....
                              BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
                              Love ya Mary Frances!

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