Any post-1984 Classic Van Halen???

[Rikk]

Originally posted by FORD
How many pro shot concerts have to exist out there. They released concert vids from Van HALEN II, so there has to be a whole show there. Oakland 81 is of course, legendary. The US Fest recorded officially for Showtime cable network (and at least 3 audio tracks from that one "remixed" and released to radio a few weeks after the show. And as far as unreleased audio goes, Legend has it that there was to be a Van HALEN live album released in 1982, but WB pulled the plug on the idea. It's possible that the Oakland 81 material could have been the source for that planned album, but it's not common for official live albums to come from just one show, so it's likely that other 81 shows were also recorded.

Wonder how far that album got before they axed it? Could there be a master tape in a WB vault somewhere?

(ATTN ANY LURKING WB EMPLOYEES. LEAK THAT BITCH AND PUT IT UP OVER AT STG!!)

Great point. I never thought about the 1982 live album thingy. You know why that wasn't released? Probably because of the surprise hit with PRETTY WOMAN and WB's sudden pressure to have the band finish a new album quickly to accompany PRETTY WOMAN. The label wanted a new album with possibly another potential hit on it, and thus they cancelled the live album. And by the time of DIVER DOWN's release, the recordings were old and the release was kinda pointless.

I do remember hearing about a possible live album from the 1984 tour...but it never materialized. Of course I'd be surprised if there weren't some professional recordings from this tour made and sitting in the vault. It was the band's biggest tour ever.

I think the stuff is still in the vaults. Look at how many concert tapes Aerosmith had saved and released tracks from in the PANDORA'S BOX set (on the CLASSICS LIVE albums in the late 80s).

Whether we see any of this stuff is a different story...but as much as I want a DVD, I'd also be perfectly happy with a double-CD live album culled from different shows in the Dave days.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Rikk

I also would say that the PANAMA footage is no guarantee of an entire concert shot. The footage of the concert at the beginning is definitely from the 1984 tour. The other footage was shot in various places, including some rather contrived documentary footage (Ed at the piano, etc.). As for the concert footage, it's my opinion that the band had the crew at a soundcheck shooting the video part with the lip-syncing on stage, as well as the band members being strung across by a foot. Then, when the concert began, a couple of 16-mm got some shots of the show, including that night's performance of PANAMA. I very doubt this footage was footage of an entire PRO-SHOT show.

Right. Most of the video was preformed, staged. But there is a shot, only a couple of seconds long, of what has to be a pro-shot of the stage, moving back to reveal a large part of the audience. Point is, as big as VH was in '84, there's no way there isn't some concert that was shot in it's entirety.

Remember though, Ed is about moving forward, not looking back.

[Cathedral]

Right Now, I am watching the entire Sao Paulo, Brazil show on DVD.

This show alone blows the living shit out of any Van Hagar shows, content wise.

Damn, these were the fucking days in Van History, baby...

[MAX]

Getting back to the original question, it has been stated from both camps that there are early demos of "Good Enough" and "Summer Nights" (both of which done with Dave) that do exist. The one that I've read the most about is the most completed of the two being "Summer Nights" which is what made it so easy for Hagar to come in ad put lyrics, chorus, bridge and a melody to it because it was a complete song. Dave's version was called "Eat Thy Neighbor." I've both read and heard interviews over the years that Alexia has that along with three other Roth Demos from the 1984 follow-up in his personal vault.

Dave said that that's why "5150" was so easy for them to complete so quickly because they had already structured half of the forthcoming album's songs before he left. Therefore, making it easier for them to put an album together so quickly when Hagar joined vs. Dave had to start from "scratch with Vai and Sheehan.

[EbDawson]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Right Now, I am watching the entire Sao Paulo, Brazil show on DVD.

This show alone blows the living shit out of any Van Hagar shows, content wise.

Damn, these were the fucking days in Van History, baby...

Absolutely!! The fact that we have the pro-shot bootleg videos proves that shows were filmed. As good as some of the boots are, like the Sao Paulo one, if the sound could be re-mastered, image cleaned up added goodies thrown in, how fucking awesome would that be!

[thefive]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
Actually, don't!

Damn that was funny.

[thefive]

I found out why I couldn't use the more smiley feature. IF YOU HAVE A POP UP STOPPER SOFTWARE take it off temporary.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by EbDawson
Absolutely!! The fact that we have the pro-shot bootleg videos proves that shows were filmed. As good as some of the boots are, like the Sao Paulo one, if the sound could be re-mastered, image cleaned up added goodies thrown in, how fucking awesome would that be!

I'd buy 3 copies.......one in red.

[Panamark]

Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
Actually, don't!

LOL, I concur....

[EmpyreLounge44]

i think i remember reading that most of the music written for a new Roth album had been recorded but no lyrics or vocals were done for it. I bet the vault is more bare than we think it is. Remember reading that Ed had been recording all the time and had 10 albums worth ready for whatever singer they brought back? I bet its all just him and Al playing around which might be cool to listen to but we wont hear the vault until Ed is dead and someone get's greedy and opens them up.

[L.S.D.]

Originally posted by Panamark
Yeah thats what I meant.. I think theres many tunes on 5150 that were going to be on the next real Van Halen album. Obviously not the entire album. Can anyone in their right mind picture Dave agreeing to sing Dreams ??

But who knows, perhaps there is the Dave version of Summer Nights in the vault somewhere. Perhaps theres shit there that we have no idea about ?? Ed might be sitting on a friggin goldmine...

Actually the songs they had the music for was Dreams, Good Enough, and Summer NIghts.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by Cathedral
Right Now, I am watching the entire Sao Paulo, Brazil show on DVD.

This show alone blows the living shit out of any Van Hagar shows, content wise.

Damn, these were the fucking days in Van History, baby...

Can I get a copy of that PUUUUULEASE!!!???:D

[BRANDON]

my guess is as long as hargar is in the band they won't release any
classic vh concert. bastards

[thefive]

Originally posted by BRANDON
my guess is as long as hargar is in the band they won't release any
classic vh concert. bastards

Offer that guy some bacon and he will leave van halen.

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
Can I get a copy of that PUUUUULEASE!!!???:D

If i had a DVD burner i'd hook you up. I'll chat with a friend and see if they can burn a couple copies for me.