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  • Unchainme
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Apr 2005
    • 7746

    Another writer that gets it.

    From an article entitled "5 More Rock Radio Classics That Actually Suck", was very pleasently surprised to see Van Hagar listed amongst one of them:

    On "When it's Love".

    I put this song here for two reasons: 1) Because it really, really sucks; and 2) as my personal apology to David Lee Roth. Let me explain:

    When I was a small boy, Van Halen were rock gods. Jump and Panama were massive hits and Davie Lee Roth was everywhere with his ass-shaking antics and over the top smarm. When Van Halen broke up, Eddie Van Halen did an excellent job of vilifying Diamond Dave just as he would do with Sammy Hagar years later. I realize now that this is mostly likely because Eddie Van Halen is a douchebag, but at the time, I listened to every word. And I heard all these stories about how Eddie wanted to grow as an artist and do serious compositions, but that Dave just cared about goofing off and screaming over records.

    So I welcomed Sammy Hagar as the new lead singer of Van Halen, and it seemed like Eddie was right because the new Van Halen was more earnest and the new Davie Lee Roth was like an exercise in self-parody. But by the time When It's Love came out on the OU812 album, I realized something that apparently David Lee Roth knew all along:

    Van Halen's music is not supposed to be taken seriously.

    Roth knew exactly who he was and what Van Halen was and with him at the helm they were one of the most entertaining hard rock acts of all time.
    While Sammy Hagar's vocals are fine (indeed, on a technical level he's a more talented vocalist than Roth) without all of Roth's shtick, you're just left with Eddie's keyboard-laden compositions. Listen up and tell me this song isn't every bit as wimpy as Winger. And that whole Beatlesesque-Little Help From My Friends lead vocal, backing vocal Q and A is just disturbingly awful for a band that's supposed to kick ass.

    Mr. Roth, I apologize for ever doubting you. Forgive me.

    Read more: 5 More Rock Radio Classics That Actually Suck | Cracked.com http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-more-r...#ixzz1SxGiRohc
    Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team
  • Sensible Shoes
    Full Member Status

    • Oct 2009
    • 4648

    #2
    Give the guy the Pulitzer

    Oh dear.

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    • kwame k
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Feb 2008
      • 11302

      #3
      Agreed.........smashing review!
      Originally posted by vandeleur
      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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      • Hardrock69
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Feb 2005
        • 21897

        #4
        YES! Exactly what we have been saying all along (at the very least).

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          Originally posted by Hardrock69
          YES! Exactly what we have been saying all along (at the very least).
          Yep
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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          • Halen High
            Commando
            • Jul 2004
            • 1231

            #6
            The writer nailed it with this:

            "Listen up and tell me this song isn't every bit as wimpy as Winger. And that whole Beatlesesque-Little Help From My Friends lead vocal, backing vocal Q and A is just disturbingly awful for a band that's supposed to kick ass."

            I still can't believe the once bad-ass bass player, along with Eddie freaking Van Halen, are posing the question "how do I know when it's love?" to another man, Hagar, who then appallingly replies "I can't tell you but it lasts forever ohhhhhhhhhh," - all under the banner of 'Van Halen.'

            Thank God Dave is back to rescue something of their legacy.
            Last edited by Halen High; 07-23-2011, 10:23 PM.

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32942

              #7
              Classic Van Halen wasn't about love, it was about lust.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • TJMKID
                Veteran
                • Mar 2004
                • 1533

                #8
                With Dave the lyrics were always about hot pussy and cold beer. As soon as I heard the lyrics to "Good Enough" where Poodle-Head sings about his girl like she's hamburger meat (makes sense since Hagar loves food) ---- I knew Van Halen was in deep shit.

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                • Diamondjimi
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • May 2004
                  • 12086

                  #9
                  Someone send that motherfucker a link to the Army. First round is on me!
                  Trolls take heed...LOG OUT & FUCK OFF!!!

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                  • VHscraps
                    Veteran
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1874

                    #10
                    When Its Mush ... a bit like Why Can't This Be Love? Dave's stance on such lyrical pussyisms would be the same:

                    CR: But during the period when Van Halen were at their peak, surely there were times when you at least felt like blood brothers?

                    DLR: Not really. Not much. I lived in my own little world, which was informed by a thousand books and ten-thousand magazines, and the Van Halens occupied another world entirely. To this day I don't think Eddie Van Halen has enjoyed more than ten minutes of his success. He's chased, he's not chasing. He's chased by something. But I never lamented it, because it's precisely that contrast that makes the best art. And when all are comfortable, then you're stuck with songs like "Why Can't This Be Sam?".

                    CR: Don't you mean "Why Can't this Be Dave?"

                    DLR: No, because Dave would never pose a question like "Why Can't This Be Love?". Dave would assume his love bases were covered.
                    Link: http://vhnd.com/old/articles/040413-02.shtml
                    Last edited by VHscraps; 07-24-2011, 06:10 AM. Reason: insert link
                    THINK LIKE THE WAVES

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                    • Etienne
                      Commando
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1196

                      #11
                      ... (indeed, on a technical level he's a more talented vocalist than Roth) ...
                      But hey, this is not true. Sammy's constant squeeze screaming type of vocals remind me of this...

                      Hagar can't sing higher notes without squeezing, where is the better range?

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                      • VAiN
                        Use my hand, I won't look
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Nov 2006
                        • 5056

                        #12
                        Fat-fucking-clown: How do I know when it's love?

                        Dave: Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love

                        Dave: 1, fat-fucking-clown: 0

                        'Nuff said...
                        Originally posted by wiseguy
                        That shit will welcome you in the morning and pour the milk in your count chocula for ya.

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                        • Hummarstra
                          Commando
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 1196

                          #13
                          I'm glad he put Green Day on there. I fucking hate their shitty music and their phony punk image.

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                          • Unchainme
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 7746

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Hummarstra
                            I'm glad he put Green Day on there. I fucking hate their shitty music and their phony punk image.
                            only positive was that back in the day, Billy Joe Armstrong was a big CVH fan.
                            Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                            • Va Beach VH Fan
                              ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 17913

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Diamondjimi
                              Someone send that motherfucker a link to the Army. First round is on me!
                              Done....
                              Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                              "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

                              "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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