Serious question...What has SAMMY HAGAR done that is actually any good?

[Diamondjimi]

Standing Tampon is an amazing album.

Umm, no.....

[Hummarstra]

Three Lock Box!!!

[Rikk]

Okay, I'll play.....

HUMANS BEING

I love the song......

Shoot me, fuck if I care.



Also loved Helen Hunt in the movie.....

Nice seeing you Rikk.

Back at you, LOUNGE. Been a while.

And I agree. HUMANS BEING is a great fucking track. I think one thing that makes it better is the fact that half of it is a guitar solo with Shambo nowhere to be heard. But yes, it's almost as if they remembered what Van Halen was supposed to sound like right before they threw his ass out.

Then they got Dave!








Then they got the guy who sang MORE THAN WORDS...

[FORD]

The reason that Humans Being works better than most Van Hagar songs is because there was some actual tension in the band (courtesy of our old pal Ray Danniels) as opposed to most of the previous shit where Ed & Spam were getting along.

Creative tension makes for great music. Just ask John & Paul. Mick & Keith. Pete & Roger. And of course, Dave & Eddie.

Hell, if Van Hagar had actually made another album after Balance, it might have actually been good

Of course Sammy's sappy assed "Shine On" chorus is completely out of place with the otherwise dark and angry mood of the song, but he had to find some way to fuck it up, I guess.

[Nitro Express]

Ed was pissed off during the recording of Fair Warning. Look what he created there. Humans Being was Ed being pissed at Sam.

The intro of the song is the neck pickup on a Wolfgang chugging through a 5150 head then it's balls to the wall. Not the old classic brown sound but wonderful in it's own right. Dime the pre gain up around 7 and dial up the post gain. I swear if I didn't have my shit in another building I would be divorced.

[Seshmeister]

Listening to BOV1 I used to jump out of my seat desperately looking for the remote when that Humans Being misery started, trying to get there before the violent projectile vomit sprayed everywhere knocking pictures off walls and pets from soft furnishings.

[DLR Bridge]

Come to think of it, I must confess that I thoroughly enjoyed the HSAS project. Could be that Neal and Sam just may have been a little more meant for each other. The album is an interesting experiment, actually. A completely live concert hall recording with virtually all of the audience noise removed. I'm surprised more bands haven't employed this technique, quite frankly. Cut out the studio expense.

[FORD]

Schon definitely played better on that record than anything he was doing with Journey at the time, or after that. Pretty much anything after that pussy Cain (no not the pizza guy) ruined his band.

[Seshmeister]

A completely live concert hall recording with virtually all of the audience noise removed. I'm surprised more bands haven't employed this technique, quite frankly. Cut out the studio expense.

Oh I've done that before, the trick is to completely underwhelm the audience with your music.

It works best if not too many people turn up in the first place.

[Seshmeister]

Come to think of it, I must confess that I thoroughly enjoyed the HSAS project.

I always thought Schon and Hagar should form a band with Mike Innez and Phil Taylor from Motorhead...

[chefcraig]

Come to think of it, I must confess that I thoroughly enjoyed the HSAS project. Could be that Neal and Sam just may have been a little more meant for each other. The album is an interesting experiment, actually. A completely live concert hall recording with virtually all of the audience noise removed. I'm surprised more bands haven't employed this technique, quite frankly. Cut out the studio expense.

It's an interesting concept, yet you are correct, only a handful of acts have tried it. The Who attempted it with the aborted Lifehouse project, but the technology for the sound separation didn't exist, so they scrapped the idea and condensed the tracks into Who's Next in the studio. About 8 or 9 years later, Neil Young managed to pull it off with Rust Never Sleeps. Oddly enough, he put out a live album (Live Rust) a short time later, using some of the very same tracks. I think Joe Jackson did it a couple of times as well.

And of course, the Rolling Stones did just the opposite with Get Your Ya-Yas Out, by recording some live shows, then rerecording virtually all of the instruments and vocals in the studio - keeping the audience sounds. Oh, and Frampton Comes Alive? The audience sounds on that one came from...

wait for it...

leftover crowd noise from the Ladies and Gentlemen: The Rolling Stones concert film recorded 4 years earlier.

[Matt White]

When it comes to van haggis..........


5150 is a decent guitar track....sub-par vocals from Spam killed it

I used to like Runaround...heard it recently...and like the vast majority of the van haggis tunes...it sounds terribly dated...I turned the dial after a minute....

Humans being isn't bad...I didnt give a FUCK what those twits were singing aboot....as long as it wasnt another FUCKING LOVE song!!! Like anybody pays attention to what Spam has ever wrote??? Decent guitar track...and at least he wasnt making that gawdarful cat-in-a-blender nonsense noise with the sustainer!!

[DLR Bridge]

Schon definitely played better on that record than anything he was doing with Journey at the time, or after that. Pretty much anything after that pussy Cain (no not the pizza guy) ruined his band.

Anytime I tell someone I dug pre-Cain Journey, they go huh? Then I explain that that means the era before Don't Stop Believin' and they think I'm crazy. Steve Perry's whine was far more tolerable with Greg Rollie's lower register in there. Kinda like the reverse set up of Dave and Mike. I know I'm strayin' away here, but the band TNT's high voiced Tony Harnell sounded so much better when they enlisted Joe Lynn Turner to back him up. Contrast begets harmony.

[ZahZoo]

Firstly, you have to consider some things. We are looking at Spamulus in hindsight. We are also looking at the music CULTURE in hindsight.

Montrose's first album came out in 1973 I believe. At the time, HEAVY music was not mainstream. It was not even CLOSE to mainstream. You had Black Sabbath, Led Zep and Deep Purple at the top of the heavy music mountain, but rock music in general was still in the process of getting heavy, and had a long way to go in that department.

The first Montrose album was pretty heavy for the time. Not METAL, but good solid hard rock.

Ronnie Montrose could have had other vocalists, but I have to admit as a singer, Spamulus has a good rock voice. Talking range and technique here. He was a good fit for the band.

Second album was good as well. Space Station No. 5 is a killer piece of hard rock.

Fuck that fat worthless cheesedick motherfucker.

There wasn't much "heavy" music broadcast in the mainstream radio market back then. You have to understand the radio landscape back in the early 70's. AM was still dominate and FM was just blossoming. Top 40 was mainstream and still controlled by the big media guys and the FCC had a censored strangle-hold on all media . Even in the Monterey/San Francisco bay areas...

Luckily in the late 60's "Pirate Radio" aka free radio had started to populate the FM airwaves and you could get more of the less mainstream non-FCC approved content. Stuff like Black Sabbath, Steppenwolf, Led Zeppelin, The Stooges, early Grand Funk Railroad, Deep Purple, and early Montrose, etc... would be heard in the early 70's. That's where me and my trusty old Panasonic Cassette Recorder captured this wild stuff and set to figuring out how to play this stuff by ear... long before tabs.

Over on the Top 40 mainstream side the Carpenters, Carley Simon, Elton John, Jim Croce, etc... were the big hits getting airplay several times a day. Thankfully by the mid-70's Album rock radio took over the airwaves and we got a lot more of the full spectrum of rock... Unfortunately... that's where Spammy's cheese era was born... the rest is tainted history...

I feel dirty now for what I've read in this thread...

[Rikk]

Listening to BOV1 I used to jump out of my seat desperately looking for the remote when that Humans Being misery started, trying to get there before the violent projectile vomit sprayed everywhere knocking pictures off walls and pets from soft furnishings.

I just looked at the tracklist for BOV1.

Your statement would indicate that you were relaxing and listening to CAN'T STOP LOVIN' YOU when suddenly HUMANS BEING comes on and destroys your feeling of peace...