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  • kwame k
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Feb 2008
    • 11302

    Originally posted by chefcraig
    Friend, I have tinnitus, which is why I choose to sit on the sidelines, away from the fray. This means that certain frequencies at high volume send painful volts of electricity through my ears and down my spine in a literally paralyzing, nerve shattering crescendo. I have taken to wearing expensive sound reducers (exotic earplugs) that I usually forget to bring into the building, having left them on the dashboard while tailgating. So I end up using cigarette filters (Oh, now that's a great look. ) shoved into my ears. Even so, the sonic blast of standing down on that floor, having the sound first go straight through me then bounce off the rear wall of our hockey barn and nail me in the back of the head is simply intolerable.
    I hear ya [pun intended], I have tinnitus, too! Ears are ringing as I type this........

    I've been debating about getting floor seats over balcony seat for the exact same reason.

    I'd love to mix it up on the floor, trying to recapture some of my past glories and have the bragging rights to say.....yeah, I say 'em 2nd row main floor........

    Then I remind myself that for all that bravado, I'll have ringing in my ears so intense for the next few days that it'll be unbearable.
    Originally posted by vandeleur
    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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    • lesfunk
      Full Member Status

      • Jan 2004
      • 3583

      My ears ring constantly too. Guess what? After 3/3/12 they are gonna ring a little worse!
      http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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      • Jagermeister
        Full Member Status

        • Apr 2010
        • 4510

        Originally posted by kwame k
        I hear ya [pun intended], I have tinnitus, too! Ears are ringing as I type this........

        I've been debating about getting floor seats over balcony seat for the exact same reason.

        I'd love to mix it up on the floor, trying to recapture some of my past glories and have the bragging rights to say.....yeah, I say 'em 2nd row main floor........

        Then I remind myself that for all that bravado, I'll have ringing in my ears so intense for the next few days that it'll be unbearable.
        Yeah no shit.

        You know I guess I have been lucky. I have been to literaly hundreds of shows, ran boats at high speeds my intire life and generaly not been very kind to my ears. Still I can hear fine and my ears don't ring. Well they do for awhile after a show but it doesn't bother me at all.

        I think I may start wearing ear plugs myslelf now just as a precaution.

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        • chefcraig
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Apr 2004
          • 12172

          Originally posted by Jagermeister
          Yeah no shit.

          You know I guess I have been lucky. I have been to literaly hundreds of shows, ran boats at high speeds my intire life and generaly not been very kind to my ears. Still I can hear fine and my ears don't ring. Well they do for awhile after a show but it doesn't bother me at all.

          I think I may start wearing ear plugs myslelf now just as a precaution.
          Absolutely lucky, and the earplugs would be a good idea. Look, I'm not one of those whiners that smokes for 40 years, gets cancer and then moronically turns around and sues a tobacco company despite my own lack of behavioral jurisprudence. I brought the condition upon myself, so I have to own it. Years and years of playing gigs at absurd volume levels, going to concerts and clawing my way to the front, working on overpowered, open exhaust cars in small, closed garages, using loud tools on job sites and generally heaving caution to the wind have gotten me to this point, so all I can do is step aside and try and deal with the issue in any way I can. The symptoms are pretty much untreatable, as the drugs designed to cure it don't really do much of anything and the surgery is about as reliable as that of carpel tunnel syndrome.

          So if I can be a role model of how NOT to treat your ears to even ONE younger person (as well as the poster child for blatant irresponsibility), I willingly accept the job. Seriously folks, protect your hearing. You'll want to hear this new VH music (or any other future music by any artist) in clear fidelity, not with a damned hearing aid or reducer stuffed into or over your ears.
          Last edited by chefcraig; 01-11-2012, 12:18 PM.









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          ― Stephen Hawking

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          • kwame k
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Feb 2008
            • 11302

            Originally posted by Jagermeister
            Yeah no shit.

            You know I guess I have been lucky. I have been to literaly hundreds of shows, ran boats at high speeds my intire life and generaly not been very kind to my ears. Still I can hear fine and my ears don't ring. Well they do for awhile after a show but it doesn't bother me at all.

            I think I may start wearing ear plugs myslelf now just as a precaution.
            Let me tell ya, Jag........

            Wear ear protection because once it's gone, you can't get it back. You can do things to minimize further damage but can never repair the damage done.

            I can't use a cell phone in my Jeep because the road noise blocks out the phone. Even wearing one of those blue tooth ear things doesn't help.

            I can't hear people talking if there's background noise, period. I've become somewhat adapt at reading lips but if you didn't know me you'd think I'm stuck up or aloof. I literally can't hear what being said.....I have to lean in and put my ear right next to someone's mouth or keep saying, "What?"....I can have my cell phone in my jacket and people stare at me asking, "Are you gonna answer your phone?".

            I can still record my music but I have to have someone else do final mixes because I overcompensate and ride the highs too heavy in the mixes. I've been able to wing it by putting the highs lower in the mix then I would like but it's a hit and miss proposition at best. So I can't master my own music.

            My ears ring constantly but you get used to it.......it a pain in the fucking ass, bro!
            Originally posted by vandeleur
            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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            • Nitro Express
              DIAMOND STATUS
              • Aug 2004
              • 32942

              Originally posted by lesfunk
              My ears ring constantly too. Guess what? After 3/3/12 they are gonna ring a little worse!
              Tinnitus? What's funny is my dad damaged his hearing when he used to run a brick saw in his younger years. He said nobody ever wore hearing protection in the early 50's. I always wore hearing protection running loud power tools and shooting guns but always played loud music without it. I never stacked my cabs and always made sure the high frequencies were turned down. My hearing is fine. I started using in ear monitors just because it's less stuff to haul around. I love the things because I can cut out the drummer's cymbals from eating up my right ear when we are on a small stage.

              Just get some cheap foam earplugs and you can pull them out to the point of where the music still sounds good but you aren't getting killed by it. Sometimes the music actually sounds better with the plugs in a bit.
              Last edited by Nitro Express; 01-11-2012, 12:33 PM.
              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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              • Jagermeister
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2010
                • 4510

                Originally posted by kwame k
                Let me tell ya, Jag........

                Wear ear protection because once it's gone, you can't get it back. You can do things to minimize further damage but can never repair the damage done.

                I can't use a cell phone in my Jeep because the road noise blocks out the phone. Even wearing one of those blue tooth ear things doesn't help.

                I can't hear people talking if there's background noise, period. I've become somewhat adapt at reading lips but if you didn't know me you'd think I'm stuck up or aloof. I literally can't hear what being said.....I have to lean in and put my ear right next to someone's mouth or keep saying, "What?"....I can have my cell phone in my jacket and people stare at me asking, "Are you gonna answer your phone?".

                I can still record my music but I have to have someone else do final mixes because I overcompensate and ride the highs too heavy in the mixes. I've been able to wing it by putting the highs lower in the mix then I would like but it's a hit and miss proposition at best. So I can't master my own music.

                My ears ring constantly but you get used to it.......it a pain in the fucking ass, bro!
                READ MY LIPS!

                I hear ya and thanks. I will.

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                • kwame k
                  TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 11302

                  Originally posted by Jagermeister
                  READ MY LIPS!

                  I hear ya and thanks. I will.
                  What?

                  Seed by list?

                  WTF does that even mean
                  Originally posted by vandeleur
                  E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                  • kwame k
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 11302

                    Originally posted by Nitro Express
                    Tinnitus? What's funny is my dad damaged his hearing when he used to run a brick saw in his younger years. He said nobody ever wore hearing protection in the early 50's. I always wore hearing protection running loud power tools and shooting guns but always played loud music without it. I never stacked my cabs and always made sure the high frequencies were turned down. My hearing is fine.
                    You're lucky and I wished I would of done that.....too late.

                    The absolute worse was playing in a band with 2 guitarists.......if I had nickle for every time one of the guitarist would say, "I'll just turn up for the solo!".....they seem to get the turning up part down but it must be impossible to back the volume down because I have yet to see one actually turn down after the solo. That causes the other guy to turn up louder until the on stage sound sounds like white noise!
                    Originally posted by vandeleur
                    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                    • kwame k
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 11302

                      Originally posted by chefcraig
                      Absolutely lucky, and the earplugs would be a good idea. Look, I'm not one of those whiners that smokes for 40 years, gets cancer and then moronically turns around and sues a tobacco company despite my own lack of behavioral jurisprudence. I brought the condition upon myself, so I have to own it. Years and years of playing gigs at absurd volume levels, going to concerts and clawing my way to the front, working on overpowered, open exhaust cars in small, closed garages, using loud tools on job sites and generally heaving caution to the wind have gotten me to this point, so all I can do is step aside and try and deal with the issue in any way I can. The symptoms are pretty much untreatable, as the drugs designed to cure it don't really do much of anything and the surgery is about as reliable as that of carpel tunnel syndrome.

                      So if I can be a role model of how NOT to treat your ears to even ONE younger person (as well as the poster child for blatant irresponsibility), I willingly accept the job. Seriously folks, protect your hearing. You'll want to hear this new VH music (or any other future music by any artist) in clear fidelity, not with a damned hearing aid or reducer stuffed into or over your ears.
                      Exactly, bro

                      Mirror image of my life!
                      Originally posted by vandeleur
                      E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                      • lesfunk
                        Full Member Status

                        • Jan 2004
                        • 3583

                        How I manage it now is that when I set up my bass rig I'm usually out on the end farthest away from the cymbals. Th keyboard is between me and the drums. Also the drum monitor box faces away from my side of the stage. The lead guitar is completely on the other side of the stage. I sometimes use earplugs but they cause me to sing flat sometimes.
                        http://gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=4448212&t=o GIFSoup

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                        • Jagermeister
                          Full Member Status

                          • Apr 2010
                          • 4510

                          Originally posted by kwame k
                          You're lucky and I wished I would of done that.....too late.

                          The absolute worse was playing in a band with 2 guitarists.......if I had nickle for every time one of the guitarist would say, "I'll just turn up for the solo!".....they seem to get the turning up part down but it must be impossible to back the volume down because I have yet to see one actually turn down after the solo. That causes the other guy to turn up louder until the on stage sound sounds like white noise!
                          Fuckin guitar players. Mine's loder that yours!

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                          • kwame k
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 11302

                            Originally posted by lesfunk
                            How I manage it now is that when I set up my bass rig I'm usually out on the end farthest away from the cymbals. Th keyboard is between me and the drums. Also the drum monitor box faces away from my side of the stage. The lead guitar is completely on the other side of the stage. I sometimes use earplugs but they cause me to sing flat sometimes.
                            Wearing ear plugs seems to help me stay in pitch........

                            The last touring band I put together, I refused to have 2 guitarists in the band, period. I made it a point from the audition, to rehearsals, and playing live to have the stage sound surprisingly low. I used thinner cymbals so the decay wasn't as long and the volume was lower. Guys were using small combos or direct feed to the sound board. You don't need two Marshal heads going through two full stacks or a Mega-Pussy 6000 bass rig pushing a 1,000 watts to play a club that only holds 200 people......Part of the reason was economic because taking an extra guitarist on the road meant one more mouth to feed. It was a compromise because two guitarists can add so much to your sound but the logistics out weighed the luxury of having two guitarists. Easier load in and setup, too. Plus, we didn't need to rent a Mack Truck to haul equipment around.

                            At first the guys thought I was crazy and there were complaints but after everyone got on board an amazing thing happened......we could hear each other, sound guys loved the fact that the PA could actually do it's job. The vocalist could hear themselves through the monitors and our out front sound improved.
                            Originally posted by vandeleur
                            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                            • kwame k
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 11302

                              Originally posted by Jagermeister
                              Fuckin guitar players. Mine's loder that yours!
                              Trucking farm slayers???????

                              What the fuck kinda drugs are you on
                              Originally posted by vandeleur
                              E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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                              • lesfunk
                                Full Member Status

                                • Jan 2004
                                • 3583

                                Originally posted by kwame k
                                Wearing ear plugs seems to help me stay in pitch........
                                .
                                Yeah It does at super high volumes. I don't think we really play that loud. What happens to me is that if I hear myself too much I lose relative pitch with the rest of the band. I always have some saxophone in my monitor. It helps tremendously with my pitch. if I tune in to my bass I sing flat and the guitar becomes washy after a while. The horns are in the same range as a voice and helps keep me in tune
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