If you had any doubts about Van Halen 2012 or ADKOT

[POJO_Risin]

Ed's a dickhead...anyone that's posted on this site in the past 12 years knows my feelings on that subject...

Mike absolutely got screwed over as well...anyone that says any fucking different is fooling themselves...but he picked his poison, and is out of the band....

...but last I knew, I didn't listen to any of the classic VH albums because of Edward's credibility...

[DLR Bridge]

Ultra mega smart ass, I was refering to the Michael Anthony situation. As I said, Ed's no saint. Never has been. I know all about the shit Ed's slung through the years. And you know what? I don't give a shit about it. None of it. Bitching about other people's time wasting and money obsessions and moral wrong doings and substance abuse problems is an exercise in futility. Especially now. I love the music they've made before and I'm sure I'll love the music they've made right now. My advice to you is don't buy the CD and take up doing something better with your time. Writing a thesis on the many ways that Ed has disappointed you is just plain unproductive and fucking pointless.

[smorgdonkey]

I'll have whatever you're smoking.

Ed has been no saint, but we have no way of knowing that an actual "back stabbing" took place.

- When Dave departed in 1985, Ed had 3 stories released. Ed and all of the VH crew stab Dave constantly...including Ed's new singer.
- Ed has a huge scrap with Sammy and sammy is out. Ed slags him from here to hell and back.
- Ed blows up at the 1996 awards show and trashes the VH reunion at that time. He goes on to slag Dave all over again.
- Ed gets with Charone and swears to take up tuba if VH III doesn't sell. Well...
- Ed had the royalty structure altered to exclude Dave from getting his fair share of royalties from old recordings. Dave had to take that one to court to have it 'righted'.
- Ed gets Sammy back in the fold and is so steamed that Mike isn't hating Hagar like he does that he makes Mike sign a document that surrenders Mike's rights as a member of Van Halen in order for him to be on the tour.
- Ed claims that his doctor has cured cancer.
- Ed claims that his tongue cancer was from standing close to electrical equipment while having a metal pick in his mouth.

So...there's no smoking anything going on here. It all has to do with CREDIBILITY. If you read Dave's book, there is one thing that stands out - credibility. If you have followed Ed then there is one thing that has always been lacking - CREDIBILITY. That's no coincidence. Remember Ed said in a radio interview that Randy Rhoads stated in an interview that 'he learned all of his stuff from me(Ed)'. Randy never stated any such thing in any interview. Ed made stuff up all of the time whenever it suited him - moreso as he became rich and untouchable.

Credibility man. Ed's a liar...and every chance he gets to say "it isn't about the money - I just want to make music" he says it. So, why F with the royalties Ed? Why take legal action against a guitar with a striped paint job back in the early '80s? Why tour when you can hardly walk? Why jump from brand to brand whenever the price is right? Why put your brand name on everything from guitars to amps to pedals to SHOES? Why always have a legal team scouring the planet to try to scrape another dime up?

If you are blind to all of that - maybe you SHOULD have something to smoke...it's supposed to be good for the glaucoma.

[Vinnie Velvet]

I'll have whatever you're smoking. Come on man. Two sides to every story. All you know of is poor Mikey saying, "I found out I was out of the band same time everyone else did" or "I was just out there waving the Van Halen flag" with the Other Half (nothing separatist about that title). Ed has been no saint, but we have no way of knowing that an actual "back stabbing" took place. Ed wasn't crazy about Mike showing up at the Sam and Dave tour. The Other Half stint followed that.

Oh yes how could I forget the Other Half tour. So this is after the Spammy 2004 tour where at the end BOTH Mike and Sam were trashing Ed on what a mess he was and then those two name a tour calling themselves 'The Other Half' of VH.

And Mike is supposed to be surprised and hurt when Ed officially dumped him in 2006 for Wolf?
Whatever, bass player.

[DLR Bridge]

Ed has lied so much in the past that he is likely 'crediting' Wolfie with 'getting him back at it' just to deflect from the fact that people don't appreciate when someone stabs a friend in the back...

I'll have whatever you're smoking. Come on man. Two sides to every story. All you know of is poor Mikey saying, "I found out I was out of the band same time everyone else did" or "I was just out there waving the Van Halen flag" with the Other Half (nothing separatist about that title). Ed has been no saint, but we have no way of knowing that an actual "back stabbing" took place. Ed wasn't crazy about Mike showing up at the Sam and Dave tour. The Other Half stint followed that.

[smorgdonkey]

What if we were all asked "what do you want"

-Mikey waiting in the wings, Eddie shitfaced, Nothing ever happening, No Dave.

or

-Wolfgang convincing his dad to clean up, listen to his best work, get the band back
together, allow Mike to go and be with his soulmate, and even himself come along for the ride
promising to deliver his own goods for his old man....

I know what option I would have taken.

That's a big 'what if'.

IF Ed didn't screw Mike in the first place to get him out of the picture.

Ed has lied so much in the past that he is likely 'crediting' Wolfie with 'getting him back at it' just to deflect from the fact that people don't appreciate when someone stabs a friend in the back...and they don't find it acceptable for one of their heroes to stab a friend and protoge in the back either.

[vandeleur]

Great post carmine .. You nailed it

[Dan]

You better be wearing a pad!

How Very Rude.:D

[Carmine]

Agreed, Gang!!

Thank YOU, Wolfgang Van Halen for helping to bring us A Different Kind of Truth...from the Van Halen that we all remember!

[DONNIEP]

Mikey who? I was one of the ones bitching the most about him not being in the band...and I'm not missing him one bit! Fuck it. Double-track Dave's vocals and that's all I need - if a little bit of Dave is good then a whole hell of a lot is even better!!

[Panamark]

Yeah !

Great post Carmine !

What if we were all asked "what do you want"

-Mikey waiting in the wings, Eddie shitfaced, Nothing ever happening, No Dave.

or

-Wolfgang convincing his dad to clean up, listen to his best work, get the band back
together, allow Mike to go and be with his soulmate, and even himself come along for the ride
promising to deliver his own goods for his old man....

I know what option I would have taken.

[fryingdutchman]

Pardon my ignorance, but did I miss something, whats the story?

In a nutshell...

Following the 2004 debacle cash-grab shit-show with Spammy, Edward spiraled into a drug and alcohol-fueled funk that had him dressing like a homeless guy and drawing comparisons to the crypt-keeper.

Word is that Wolfgang confronted his dad, jammed his iPod in his ears, cranked up the Classic Van Halen and told him that this was what he needed to be doing...to save himself and the Van Halen legacy.

Wolfie apparently helped Edward re-learn all his old stuff by playing it over and over on his iPod.

There's more to the story I'm sure, but who knows how much is urban legend and how much is true.

But that is why it can confidently be stated that Wolfgang saved Classic Van Halen, and probably his father's life.

[Sensible Shoes]

Well, maybe I will pee, just a little... you know, those "happy, excited puppy" pees.

You better be wearing a pad!

[Angel]

we came! we came! we came through blood and fire!!!

Is that a great fucking anthem for us or what, eh?! Imagine the entire Army singing that all at once!!! I agree that we can NEVER forget the influence of Wolf in all of this, and I also think he's about to blow the world away the same way his dad did in 78. I can guarantee you I won't be going pee during the bass solo this time (if I make a show). Well, maybe I will pee, just a little... you know, those "happy, excited puppy" pees.

[VanCanHalen]

Great fucking post, agree on all fronts, just sit back and let Van Halen kick your ass through a wall in 2012!