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  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    Van Halen: Monsters of philosophy



    At the peak of Van Halen’s popularity almost 30 years ago, few people considered the band to be artists, much less philosophers. Van Halen was just a rock ’n’ roll band: a guitar-riffing, hard-drinking, skirt-chasing quartet known for huge hits, catchy hooks, and one pouty-lipped, big-haired front man, David Lee Roth.

    Roth became something of a media darling at the dawn of the video age—a one-man quote machine in spandex and tattered shirts. If founder Eddie Van Halen was the band’s quiet guitar hero, Diamond Dave was the vaudevillian clown.

    For six years, from 1978 to 1984, few rock bands were bigger: In 1983, one concert alone reportedly netted the band $1.5 million. The following year, the band released 1984, its most popular album to date, and “Jump” quickly became a number one single, spending five weeks at the top of the US charts. If you were alive then, you probably still know the words (“I get up/ And nothing gets me down”) and the song’s opening synthesizer riff by heart. But poetry it was not. It was just the ’80s.

    Now a new book by British sociologist John Scanlan is suggesting that we’ve misunderstood Van Halen all these years—or at least not given the band its due. Roth and his comrades weren’t just hard rockers, Scanlan argues, but avatars of a kind of philosophy.


    In “Van Halen: Exuberant California, Zen Rock ’n’ Roll” (Reaktion Books 2012), Scanlan, a senior lecturer in sociology at Manchester Metropolitan University in England, argues that Van Halen were purveyors of what he calls Zen rock, worthy of comparisons to the Beat poets—if not for the work they created, then at least for their state of mind. “Van Halen’s exuberance,” Scanlan writes, “produced a kind of ‘unthinking,’ unassuming—but often exhilarating—rock ’n’ roll that was evocative of its time and place.” He believes it was pure 1970s Southern California, where the band met and formed. “But like much of California culture,” Scanlan adds, “it was touched by a Zen-like attitude to everyday life.”

    David Lee Roth ‘was an adherent of Zen philosophy and had been since he was a teenager.’


    Van Halen might seem an unlikely candidate for a serious book by an academic sociologist. Such treatments are generally reserved for acts like Bob Dylan or the Beatles. But as the author explains it, it wasn’t really a choice. Scanlan said he had to write the book. He’s 47. He grew up listening to Van Halen in Lanark, Scotland, and couldn’t shake the music’s hold on him—even three decades later.

    He spoke to Ideas from his home in Manchester.

    IDEAS: How much Van Halen music did you have to download off iTunes to prepare for this book?

    SCANLAN: Zero. None. Because I already had it all. I still had all my old records.

    IDEAS: Your neighbors must have thought it odd to hear all this Van Halen music coming through a scholar’s walls.

    SCANLAN: I happen to live in the top floor of a building. No one can hear me, whatever I do. But it was interesting because I would listen to it and find that I would be almost thrust back into 1980, when I was 16 years old. I’d listen to the music very loud. I’d want to kind of drink and smoke and do all these things that you’re not supposed to do when you’re a responsible adult.

    IDEAS: You suggest that Van Halen believed in a certain kind of rock ’n’ roll—a “Zen-like idea,” you call it, that was “attached to the creative unconscious” and an answer to rock’s “growing seriousness in the 1970s.” Is that giving the band too much credit?

    SCANLAN: Not at all. It’s there in the statements the band—Roth, in particular—has made over the years. It’s all there. It’s just a matter of stitching it together.

    IDEAS: Were these guys really deep thinkers, pondering their place in the music universe?

    SCANLAN: No, they weren’t. There’s a quotation in there from David Lee Roth from back in 1978—it’s in their first story in Rolling Stone—and he said the point is to keep it as stupid, as simplistic, and as unassuming as possible. He was an adherent of Zen philosophy and had been since he was a teenager. And that’s a big part of my book.

    IDEAS: At times in the book you compare the band to the Beat poets and to Jack Kerouac. Is that a stretch?

    SCANLAN: I’m not necessarily saying look at the lyrics that David Lee Roth writes and look at the books that Kerouac’s written; it’s more to do with the artistic process. There’s a similarity in terms of the process. But then you’ve got the historical and biographical connection. Roth actually spent quite a lot of time in Greenwich Village. He was around there at the time of the dying embers of the Beat movement.

    IDEAS: Kerouac fans might cringe at the idea that David Lee Roth is somehow like him.

    SCANLAN: They may indeed. But if you look at Kerouac’s aesthetics—what he said about the creative process, what he said about the influence of Zen on the Beat movement, and the importance he placed on jive as a means of expression—David Lee Roth is all those things in his own way as well. I wouldn’t say he’s a Beat poet. But he shares that attitude.

    IDEAS: Van Halen just wrapped up a reunion tour. The critics, more often than not, panned the shows. The general sentiment was that Eddie Van Halen was still an incredible guitarist, but Roth was a mess.

    SCANLAN: It doesn’t surprise me because Roth was always more about being up there on stage and being a cheerleader, a toastmaster kind of figure. And he never, ever, nailed the songs on stage the way they were on the record.

    IDEAS: Do you feel like David Lee Roth is misunderstood?

    SCANLAN: That’s quite an interesting question. People thought he was a bit nuts, a bit over the top....He’s an odd person, you know? He trains sheepdogs.

    IDEAS: Apparently, he spent a lot of time on this last tour haranguing the audience about his love of sheepdogs.

    SCANLAN: Yeah. He’s a strange guy, David Lee Roth.
    Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

    "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

    "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth
  • Angel
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7481

    #2
    Hmm...I have to check this book out and figure out where I can use it for a Sociology paper.
    "Ya know what they say about angels... An angel is a supernatural being or spirit, usually humanoid in form, found in various religions and mythologies. Plus Roth fan boards..."- ZahZoo April 2013

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    • chefcraig
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Apr 2004
      • 12172

      #3
      Originally posted by Angel
      Hmm...I have to check this book out and figure out where I can use it for a Sociology paper.
      Crack open some beers or wine, fire up a joint and reread Dave's Crazy From The Heat while cranking up some CVH. Draw your own conclusions, then publish your thesis. Hell, it's pretty much what this guy did. For that matter, it's what many of us have been doing since some time in 1978 or so. The difference being of course, we were either too stoned or having far too good a time to put much effort into writing it all down, let alone pondering the cultural significance of the experience.










      “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
      ― Stephen Hawking

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      • Monkeeman
        Groupie
        • Jul 2012
        • 71

        #4
        Just ordered it from Amazon. It'll either be very interesting and enlightening, or a load of rubbish. Hopefully the former.

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        • TJMKID
          Veteran
          • Mar 2004
          • 1533

          #5
          Originally posted by Va Beach VH Fan
          Now a new book by British sociologist John Scanlan is suggesting that we’ve misunderstood Van Halen all these years — or at least not given the band its due. Roth and his comrades weren’t just hard rockers, Scanlan argues, but avatars of a kind of philosophy.

          CVH has kept it's appeal to me all these years because they seem 100% authentic about who they are --- they weren't selling me an image like Motley Crue or Ratt or Poison.

          If Dave and Eddie never became famous --- they'd still be doing what they are today --- being pure artists and living that kind of life. Money and fame doesn't dictate who they are as people.

          Posers like Hagar, Vince Neil, Axl Rose, etc. would have quit music and became car salesman or some shit if they didnt become famous.

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          • private parts
            Sniper
            • Jan 2007
            • 926

            #6
            The difference between DLR and losers like Axl Rose and Vince Neil and etc is that they spent their down time hanging out at strip clubs, drinking and doing drugs.
            Dave spent his down time climbing mountains and trekking through the Amazon looking for strip clubs in the jungle. That's ZEN!!
            sigpic" You ever notice when I scream I sound like Mr. Bill on acid" DLR

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            • Dave's Bitch
              ROCKSTAR

              • Apr 2005
              • 5293

              #7
              Imagine that.Rock Stars hanging out at strip clubs and drinking.losers

              I really love you baby, I love what you've got
              Let's get together we can, Get hot

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              • envy_me
                Swedish Love Pump
                ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                • Dec 2010
                • 7180

                #8
                Originally posted by private parts
                The difference between DLR and losers like Axl Rose and Vince Neil and etc is that they spent their down time hanging out at strip clubs, drinking and doing drugs.
                Dave spent his down time climbing mountains and trekking through the Amazon looking for strip clubs in the jungle. That's ZEN!!
                I don't think that is the only difference. It's just a symptom of something else. There is a reason why some chose drugs and strippers and why some aim higher. Genetics and environment you grew up in is the base.
                The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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                • private parts
                  Sniper
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 926

                  #9
                  Dave chose drugs and strippers AND aimed high. Absolutely up bringing and environment have an impact. But everybody has the opportunity to look at their situation and try to change it.
                  "I've been to the edge..I stood and looked down.. I lost a lot of friends there baby....I got no time to mess around"
                  sigpic" You ever notice when I scream I sound like Mr. Bill on acid" DLR

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                  • envy_me
                    Swedish Love Pump
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 7180

                    #10
                    Originally posted by private parts
                    Dave chose drugs and strippers AND aimed high. Absolutely up bringing and environment have an impact. But everybody has the opportunity to look at their situation and try to change it.
                    "I've been to the edge..I stood and looked down.. I lost a lot of friends there baby....I got no time to mess around"
                    I don't want to speak for Dave, I am quiet recent fan, I missed all 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s. So I don't know what he chose. But I bet you that a house full of academics didn't create Axl Rose.
                    The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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                    • private parts
                      Sniper
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 926

                      #11
                      You got that right!
                      sigpic" You ever notice when I scream I sound like Mr. Bill on acid" DLR

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                      • Dave's Bitch
                        ROCKSTAR

                        • Apr 2005
                        • 5293

                        #12
                        Non conformity created Axl Rose and that was cool when he was younger.The sad thing is he is 50 and still trying to "Give the finger to the establishment"
                        I really love you baby, I love what you've got
                        Let's get together we can, Get hot

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                        • envy_me
                          Swedish Love Pump
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7180

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
                          Non conformity created Axl Rose and that was cool when he was younger.The sad thing is he is 50 and still trying to "Give the finger to the establishment"
                          Axl had a bit of luck, he happend to be young in the decade when his mental defects were considered cool. Had he tried to become a star in 1930ies, he'd be screwed...
                          The heart is on the left. The blood is red.

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                          • jhale667
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 20929

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave's Bitch
                            Non conformity created Axl Rose and that was cool when he was younger.The sad thing is he is 50 and still trying to "Give the finger to the establishment"

                            He should be more worried about not falling on his ass onstage like he has been lately....
                            Originally posted by conmee
                            If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                            That is all.

                            Icon.
                            Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                            I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                            Originally posted by Isaac R.
                            Then it's really true??

                            The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                            OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                            Originally posted by eddie78
                            I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                            • Hummarstra
                              Commando
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 1196

                              #15
                              This guy is thinking WAY too much. I'm sure Dave and Ed are having a good laugh at this book.

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