Hagar Fans: The Numbers--stupid Or Denial?

[Thetruthbaby]

If you already know that VHagar are only averaging 7,068 per night DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH THIS POST. Wow. I'm continually blown away by the stupidity and denial of Hagar fans. In post after post I'm seeing Hagar fans talk about how VHagar are "selling out everywhere" or "packing them in". Since it's obvious they're too stupid to go back to the Pollstar link I provided a few days ago it looks as if I will need to post this every few days. All you Hagar morons do the following: Go to Yahoo. Type in the following: Pollstar Online - Pollstar Display Page. Type it in exactly the way I listed it. Then when the page comes up you'll see a hi lighted area that says TOP 100 TOURS. GO TO THIS DUMBASSES. Then scroll down the list to VHagar. YOU WILL SEE they have reported 13 SHOWS IN 10 CITIES. They have sold 91,892 tickets for these 13 SHOWS. This is a per night average of 7.068. Repeat 7.068. It says average tickets 9,189 BUT THAT IS BECAUSE POLLSTAR IS DIVIDING THE NUMBER OF TIX BY THE NUMBER OF CITIES INSTEAD OF SHOWS. TO get the per night average you must divide the number of tix sold by the NUMBER OF SHOWS not cities. 7,068 PER NIGHT. THAT IS ALL. Whoever is moderating don't shut this thread down because these morons are obviously not going to look for previous threads which covered the topic in depth. If they did they wouldn't be posting about how the tour is "selling out" and "packing them in". Dumbasses. 91,892 tix sold divided by 13 shows = 7,068 per night. Yeah they're really tearin' it up across North America.

[ModernDayWarior]

If Dave was fronting the band they would be selling out stadiums. It would probably be the biggest reunion, next to Led Zeppelin or the Police.

[Thetruthbaby]

IF DAVE WERE THERE

Yeah I remember back in 96' Pollstar ran a story on the proposed VH/ROTH reunion. They said they thought it could sell more tix than the first Eagles reunion (which was huge). I'll admit that VH has done some damage to their appeal with the last few years but I just think anyone who can't admit that a ROTH fronted tour would be bigger than what they're doing now is a moron. They were bigger with Dave the first time and they would be bigger with Dave the 2nd time. No doubt in my mind.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by ModernDayWarior
If Dave was fronting the band they would be selling out stadiums. It would probably be the biggest reunion, next to Led Zeppelin or the Police.

Listen Roxanne, I liked the Police, but to suggest a reunion

with Dave would not be as big as a Police reunion is,

welllllllllllllllllll, it's pretty dumb.

[Rikk]

Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
Listen Roxanne, I liked the Police, but to suggest a reunion

with Dave would not be as big as a Police reunion is,

welllllllllllllllllll, it's pretty dumb.

LOL!!!!!!!!!

I have to say, however, that a POLICE reunion would be huge. Funny, they broke up exactly when Van Halen did. They released their last album in 1983 (1984 is technically listed as a 1983 release). They basically broke up while on top. I do think the band would have become shittier with age (as Sting went from great to horrible). Thank God we remember them as the amazing band that recorded the SYNCHRONISITY album.

Zeppelin is the only band I can think of (that could realistically reunite...although I still maintain it's not Zeppelin without Bonham) that would be bigger than an original Van Halen reunion. THE BEATLES would be even bigger, but they're obviously going to have a problem ever reuniting with half of their members resting for eternity.

[Samsonite]

It doesn't really matter...Sammy or Roth this tour is going to do bad either way because of the way the brothers have lied to the public...

[Thetruthbaby]

ZEPPELIN--BONHAM

I'm a drummer and I would definitely consider L Zeppelin the real deal with Jason Bonham behind the kit. I don't think anyone would have a problem with him back there and them calling it Zeppelin. Also I always felt that The Beatles should have reunited with Julian Lennon and toured. I really think people would have been very receptive to it as long as they showed publicly that it was a tribute to John Lennon to have his son up there. Julian sounds VERY similar to his father and would have sounded great singing those songs. It's just my opinion and I know some Beatles fans would get in a tussy but in a situation like Zeppelin or The Beatles since a member has died and there is no chance for a true reunion if a family member (especially) a son plays the same instrument I say go for it if it's for the right reasons (not just money in other words). There was talk of The Beatles reuniting with Julian and I for one would have paid to see it. I think he would have done a great job. And he would have been truly thankful in my opinion as well. Just my opinion though.

[guwapo_rocker]

Originally posted by Samsonite
It doesn't really matter...Sammy or Roth this tour is going to do bad either way because of the way the brothers have lied to the public...

Shaddup luggage!:D

[Rikk]

Re: ZEPPELIN--BONHAM

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
I'm a drummer and I would definitely consider L Zeppelin the real deal with Jason Bonham behind the kit. I don't think anyone would have a problem with him back there and them calling it Zeppelin. Also I always felt that The Beatles should have reunited with Julian Lennon and toured. I really think people would have been very receptive to it as long as they showed publicly that it was a tribute to John Lennon to have his son up there. Julian sounds VERY similar to his father and would have sounded great singing those songs. It's just my opinion and I know some Beatles fans would get in a tussy but in a situation like Zeppelin or The Beatles since a member has died and there is no chance for a true reunion if a family member (especially) a son plays the same instrument I say go for it if it's for the right reasons (not just money in other words). There was talk of The Beatles reuniting with Julian and I for one would have paid to see it. I think he would have done a great job. And he would have been truly thankful in my opinion as well. Just my opinion though.

I just can't agree. I'm a drummer too, and I find Jason Bonham to be a competent rock 'n' roll drummer, but nowhere near as talented as his father. His father invented a whole new sound for rock drumming. He was amazing. I think he was half the Zeppelin sound. Without him, any recordings the others have made have some great moments. But nothing sounds (or could sound) like Zeppelin. It would be a good band. I'd pay to see it (with Jason). In fact, I saw PAGE/PLANT and thought it was great. But I was prouder that they acknowledged that it wasn't Zeppelin. I'd still love to see those three get back together with someone on drums, but I'd prefer they don't call it Zeppelin.

As for THE BEATLES, no way. THE BEATLES were about the songwriting as much as the singer. A reunion tour would have been nice with all four members...but they were a studio band anyway. They are among my top 5 favorite bands, but basically because they are amazing songwriters and their albums are incredibly written. Why get Julian up there to sing John's songs? It's tasteless. It's like arguing that it's the genes that matter...not the person. To get someone to replace John is like claiming that his death was not as significant as it felt. If anyone is irreplaceable, it's John Lennon. They did it right...the only time they reunited, they simply finished recordings John had already started. I was proud of that...a final declaration that those four men are THE BEATLES and no one else. Now, after George died, it was already over anyway. It was just sad as hell that we had to lose another great one. But at least we got to hear his last great solo album a year later.

[Thetruthbaby]

JASON BONHAM

It depends on how you define talented. Technically Jason Bonham is more talented than his father. I've seen Jason do a clinic and trust me John Bonham could not play many of the things Jason is capable of. I mean if he were still alive and decided he wanted to further his chops and ability sure with some more practice he could. And he'd have to learn how to play double bass (which he flirted with back in the late 60's there are photos-he was heavily influenced by C APPICE). But as things stood when he died Jason is a more techically diverse player than his father ever was no doubt. Now if you're getting into impact/influence on the instrument well of course John is easily ahead but that is has nothing to do with who is more talented. To say that John was more talented than Jason is very misleading. You may like his groove and feel more than Jason's but Jason is a more capable player technically. John Bonham is a legend no doubt but don't confuse that with how much talent he had. He was a talented player no doubt, especially for the time. But even back then there were plenty of guys who were more adept in terms of skill like Appice, Aldridge and Peart. Jason is a more skilled player than his father but his father owns the name and legacy. I have never heard of a Zeppelin fan complain about Jason playing with them and calling it Zeppelin until now though. To each his own. If Zeppelin reunited though I highly doubt you'd get many complaints with Jason back there. My strong bet is you'd be in the minority. In terms of The Beatles I think it would have been huge but there would be more complaints because The Beatles are the most influential rock group ever. I would have happily paid to see it though. And there was talk of it happening.

[ModernDayWarior]

Originally posted by guwapo_rocker
Listen Roxanne, I liked the Police, but to suggest a reunion

with Dave would not be as big as a Police reunion is,

welllllllllllllllllll, it's pretty dumb.

Dude, when the Police went out, they were playing stadiums. If they got back together, they would pick up right where they left of without a doubt. Dave with VH would be just as big.

[Terry]

The Police sold a lotta records, no doubt. They'd be packing 'em in on a scale that a reunited classic VH would. No, I'm not saying the Police are better or worse than classic VH, but they were huge when they broke up.

Don't know if a reunited classic Halen could sell out a 50,000 + stadium now, though. But you know for damn sure they wouldn't be playing to half empty 10-20,000 seat arenas. Sold out for multiple nights. That's a given.

Bonham may not have been the most technically talented drummer, but he was the perfect fit for Zep and with John Bonham what he didn't play was as important as what he did. Plus, a lot of those Zep time signatures that sound so simplistic can be tricky.

The spectacle of seeing classic Van Halen play the 6 pack tunes live would transcend any ill will Ed and Al have generated specifically since 1996. The music would cut through all that.

Plant and Page have already taken to the road on a de facto Led Zep reunion tour, so a 'reunited' Zep tour with JPJ and Jason participating would have a good draw, but wouldn't be quite as special as classic VH reuniting. Plus, Plant's voice just can't handle much of the Zep material anymore.

The Beatles reuniting wouldn't be able to be passed off anymore. Even the most ardent Beatlemaniac isn't going to give any legitimacy to Paul, Ringo and whoever else had the balls to get up there.

[ELVIS]

Blah blah blah ZZZ

[MAX]

Elvis,

You don't say shit and I still laugh. You are funny like Joe Pesci in Goodfellas!!!!

[Matt White]

Robert Plant said it best when he told the 4 members of Bad Company at Peter Grants funeral, "Look ya assholes...NOBODY IN YOUR BAND IS DEAD! Suck it up and get out and play!" And even though Ralphs and Burrell STILL hate Paul Rodgers, they went out, made some dough, and gave their long suffering fans a geat tour. It boggles the mind that Eddie van Crackhead and his sister Shemp Van Halen can't put their egos aside and do the same with Dave.