More VH talk from Eddie Trunk

[Terry]

If we went back and removed every post that turned out to not be true and the associated comments and nonsense... hell, the site would be 60% smaller!!

Part of the fabric of being a Roth/VH fan is sorting through all the bullshit that surrounds those jackasses!!

Sort of along the lines of walking the beach with a metal detector: you get a signal, start digging, and more often than not come up with a bottle cap than buried treasure.

[ZahZoo]

If we went back and removed every post that turned out to not be true and the associated comments and nonsense... hell, the site would be 60% smaller!!

Part of the fabric of being a Roth/VH fan is sorting through all the bullshit that surrounds those jackasses!!

[Seshmeister]

And where's that Von Halen fruitcup???

Whats up with his article thats still on the front page about VH hooking up with Hagar in 2017???

Funny how none of you flakes ever actually explain yourselfs....just leave your fake bullshit lies posted for all to see long after its clearly seen as the bullshit that it is.

There was an explanation back at the time in a couple of places including on a Podcast at http://api.spreaker.com/download/epi...army_final.mp3

Quick summary is 2 completely unconnected people connected to Eddie Van Halen told us the story with a week of each other so for the only time ever we did run a rumor on the front page.

To then go back and remove that mistake would be a dick move especially after people had commented on it so much, we stand by our fuck ups around here.

[DavidLeeNatra]

"You want us to sing seriously? Go, buy the record!"

Dean Martin, 1962 live at Villa Venice, Chicago

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[ZahZoo]

One thing to remember about the 2007/8 tour... smart phone technology was in it's infancy. The gawd-damned iPhone had just made it's debut in June 2007. So you wouldn't find as much nor as good of quality smart phone recordings during that tour. Most of the good/decent video posted on youtube was from hard core boot-leggers smuggling digital video cameras into the venues.

No worries about "snippy demeanor & attitude" here... it's welcomed, celebrated and generously shared among the knuckleheads that still hang out here!

[big fatty]

Haha- Wolfie....hungry like a Wolf with an appetite for production.

These are the kinda posts that throw me for a loop....one one hand it's kinda funny....but on the other hand...really kinda cheap & devoid of substance.

Not that I have any stake in a claim one way or the other.

I'm just thinking back to all those years before 2007....

Mike always seemed quite content without David....can't say I noticed too many compliments from Mike about David....at all ever...


But then in 2007 a huge portion of the VH fanbase have a cow about Mike being ousted....

Almost to the point of overshadowing what was really important....having David & Edward back onstage together...

I'll be honest....I honestly didn't give a fuck at all about Mike back then....couldn't care less....

I was just glad to finally see David onstage in VH with Ed & Al....that was paramount....Mike was just an unfortunate casualty at the time....

Of course can't say I was elated to have a teenager fill in on bass....really took away from the overall image & visual aspect....

But Dave back is what matters. At the time really never actually expected them to keep it together this long. Still now surprised all things considered.

[big fatty]

Here's what I know... Prior to the 2007 tour Dave, Ed, Wolfgang and Steve Lukather recorded backing vocal tracks that were used during the live performances. Ed also recorded keyboards for at least I'll Wait and Jump. Every live song had a click track setting the timing which was mostly controlled by Al during the performances.

Sitting on the floor level on Wolfgang's side of the stage was a black square shaped tent... inside was the mixing unit and controls for the band's on-stage monitors and controls for the video screen production behind the band. Also included was the tech that controlled the click-track and keyed the keyboard tracks and manually triggered some of the backing vocals tracks.

It's not clear how much help Wolfgang got with any sort of pre-recorded bass track but on the songs with keyboards there were multiple shows where the kid wasn't touching his bass yet the bottom end was blasting out of the mains. Several posters here and at Links have observed this at multiple show. I saw it specifically during Jump at the Little Rock, AR performance... Wolf was flinging picks at his bass tech for a minute or two during the song with neither hand on his bass...

There ya have it...

Ok thanks - Sounds like a reasonable explanation I guess.

I was focused on Ed & David for the most part & wasn't close enough to the stage to notice anything unusual. Not that I would've been looking anyways.

One thing that definetly stuck out immediately was the overwhelming bombastic bass was louder than hell....very apparent....almost to the point of overkill....kind of a muddy mess of a mix .

Ed's guitar tone immediately struck me as being a little too thin & brittle....not at all as deep full & powerful as I remembered from the other VH shows in '81, '82, '84, & the '86 show which was the last time I saw Ed live before the 2007 tour.

Either way- as far as the Wolf commentary....on one hand it's a huge compliment in the event he actually didn't have a little help...

But of course most commentary being that he wasnt professional enough & needed help...which I'm thinking should be considered an insult of some sort.

There really should be some youtube clips to show proof of the allegations.

Wolfs recent tweets are what peaked my curiousity. Can't say I've seen any definitive proof one way or the other but will take your word for it as you say you noticed something up close during Jump at the Little Rock show. So I'll look that up & take a look see.

Thanks again.


Also- I want to apologize for some of the snippy demeanor & attitude of my post. Actually thought I made this post at VH Links & was expecting someone to get pissy about it....but then couldn't find the damn post. Sometimes I'm having beers & whatnot when I post about VH on the net. Actually pretty much the only time I'll post at all.

I know Sesh & a lot of you guys have to pony up dough to keep the site online so I'll just take this chance to say thanks.

[twonabomber]

Val says the Jenny Craig was for her, but it was really for Wolfie...

[Nitro Express]

Here's what I know... Prior to the 2007 tour Dave, Ed, Wolfgang and Steve Lukather recorded backing vocal tracks that were used during the live performances. Ed also recorded keyboards for at least I'll Wait and Jump. Every live song had a click track setting the timing which was mostly controlled by Al during the performances.

Sitting on the floor level on Wolfgang's side of the stage was a black square shaped tent... inside was the mixing unit and controls for the band's on-stage monitors and controls for the video screen production behind the band. Also included was the tech that controlled the click-track and keyed the keyboard tracks and manually triggered some of the backing vocals tracks.

It's not clear how much help Wolfgang got with any sort of pre-recorded bass track but on the songs with keyboards there were multiple shows where the kid wasn't touching his bass yet the bottom end was blasting out of the mains. Several posters here and at Links have observed this at multiple show. I saw it specifically during Jump at the Little Rock, AR performance... Wolf was flinging picks at his bass tech for a minute or two during the song with neither hand on his bass...

There ya have it...

Haha! Not only that, they had to reinforce the stage so it wouldn't collapse under the weight of the lard ass. Well Ed said his kid doesn't do drugs and I believe it. At least cocaine or some meth would burn off some of that fat.

[ZahZoo]

So what the fuck is it you think you know???

Did you hear something from a crew member???

Spill the beens cough up the skinny otherwise the shit your peddling is just pansey ass gossip shit....

Your not a pansey ass gossip punk are you????

Here's what I know... Prior to the 2007 tour Dave, Ed, Wolfgang and Steve Lukather recorded backing vocal tracks that were used during the live performances. Ed also recorded keyboards for at least I'll Wait and Jump. Every live song had a click track setting the timing which was mostly controlled by Al during the performances.

Sitting on the floor level on Wolfgang's side of the stage was a black square shaped tent... inside was the mixing unit and controls for the band's on-stage monitors and controls for the video screen production behind the band. Also included was the tech that controlled the click-track and keyed the keyboard tracks and manually triggered some of the backing vocals tracks.

It's not clear how much help Wolfgang got with any sort of pre-recorded bass track but on the songs with keyboards there were multiple shows where the kid wasn't touching his bass yet the bottom end was blasting out of the mains. Several posters here and at Links have observed this at multiple show. I saw it specifically during Jump at the Little Rock, AR performance... Wolf was flinging picks at his bass tech for a minute or two during the song with neither hand on his bass...

There ya have it...

[Terry]

Hell, I've heard Zeppelin bootlegs from as early as 1973 where Plant's voice is shot to Hell. Funny thing that happens to vocal cords when they age. I've never been a professional singer, but I used to be able to knock out a fairly decent Axl Rose impersonation when I was younger, and a decent amount of alcohol was involved. No chance in Hell of me doing that now.

The only thing that DLR has done wrong in this respect is that he keeps trying to push his voice higher, while still smoking like a chimney and drinking like a fish and being in his 60s. Plant at least finally came to the conclusion that he had to adjust his material to the physical realities of his vocal cords as an older man. I'm guessing a lot of his objection to any further Zeppelin reunions is that he knows he sounds ridiculous trying to reproduce the high notes that he made when he was 19 years old. Until medical science makes vocal cord transplants possible, that's probably the most reasonable solution available.

I'm sure nowadays, given Plant's age, he obviously realizes that trying to recreate the Zep vocals would be a challenge.

However, since Bonham died, Plant has consistently said that for the band to continue on billed as Led Zeppelin wouldn't have been an honest thing to do. Considering the financial offers that have been on the table for a Zeppelin reunion since the late 1980s, the fact that Plant hasn't just cashed in boils down to one word: integrity.

When Plant DID get back with Page in the 1990s, it wasn't to try and recreate Zep note for note. The music was rearranged, and new things were tried.

[Terry]

If the original 4 toured, it would be interesting to see the financials post-tour.

And I don't go to hear Dave sing. If it is singing I want, I will go listen to someone
who can belt it out. Like the dude in Rival Sons. Or Tim Owens or some shit.

I go to see Dave the Entertainer.

I would love to see the original 4 JUST BECAUSE.

I don't need no valid muffakking reason.

But we will see. We can safely assume with Uncle Dave's patter in the interviews that the band might possibly be thinking of dreaming about the possibility of playing Yankee Stadium at some untold date months, years, or centuries in the future.

We will see what happens, won't we?

I get all of that.

Even with Dave's vocals the way they are now, I'd still like to see the original 4, too.

[Hardrock69]

If the original 4 toured, it would be interesting to see the financials post-tour.

And I don't go to hear Dave sing. If it is singing I want, I will go listen to someone
who can belt it out. Like the dude in Rival Sons. Or Tim Owens or some shit.

I go to see Dave the Entertainer.

I would love to see the original 4 JUST BECAUSE.

I don't need no valid muffakking reason.

But we will see. We can safely assume with Uncle Dave's patter in the interviews that the band might possibly be thinking of dreaming about the possibility of playing Yankee Stadium at some untold date months, years, or centuries in the future.

We will see what happens, won't we?

[FORD]

Hell, I've heard Zeppelin bootlegs from as early as 1973 where Plant's voice is shot to Hell. Funny thing that happens to vocal cords when they age. I've never been a professional singer, but I used to be able to knock out a fairly decent Axl Rose impersonation when I was younger, and a decent amount of alcohol was involved. No chance in Hell of me doing that now.

The only thing that DLR has done wrong in this respect is that he keeps trying to push his voice higher, while still smoking like a chimney and drinking like a fish and being in his 60s. Plant at least finally came to the conclusion that he had to adjust his material to the physical realities of his vocal cords as an older man. I'm guessing a lot of his objection to any further Zeppelin reunions is that he knows he sounds ridiculous trying to reproduce the high notes that he made when he was 19 years old. Until medical science makes vocal cord transplants possible, that's probably the most reasonable solution available.

[Vinnie Velvet]

As an aside this ongoing fucking thing about Roth never being able to sing is stupid. Roth at his worst in any era pisses all over just about any Ozzy live singing from 1977 onwards so 40 years now? How does he get a free pass?

Exactly.