It's official: Van Cherone more popular than Van Hagar

[Greenbuds]

The official numbers:

BOV1 (2 new Roth songs, no tour)
First week - Number 1, 233,000 people bought
Second week - Number 4, 130,000 people bought

Van Halen 3 (Full new Cherone album, tour)
First week - Number 4, 190,500 people bought
Second week - Number 13, 63,944 people bought

BOBW (3 new Hagar songs, tour)
First week - Number 3, 138,000 people bought
Second week - Number 13, 63,000 people bought


Totals:

BOV1 - 363,000 people bought, gone 3x platinum
VH3 - 254,444 people bought, gone gold
BOBW - 201,000 people bought, gone fishing?

Sammy Hagar has since announced there will be no new album because they would not make any money on it.

Conclusion:

The sheep base is eroding fast.

Van Halen 3 was more popular than Van Halen 3 1/2 with Hagar.

Van Halen is, was and always will be about David Lee Roth.

[Tom Foolery]

BOBW has songs from both Dave and Sam, i dont think people going to buy BOBW like they would buy a cd full of new stuff. If this would have been an album of new stuff, it would have blown 3 out of the water. Its hard to justify buying a 2 disc cd for 20 bucks for three new songs dont ya think? I think people can maniupluate numbers to say what they believe, and i thinks thats just what you did. peace!

[Tom Foolery]

You also left out that BOV 1 also had a new Hagar tune on it, you gotta think that also helped boost the sales. It was also the first time you could buy a cd with all the big time hits on it. The people who like Jump and Right Now already have the greatest hits they need, they are not going to come back for another one, again, skewed numbers

[Greenbuds]

Originally posted by Tom Foolery
BOBW has songs from both Dave and Sam, i dont think people going to buy BOBW like they would buy a cd full of new stuff.

So, genius, how did BOV1, an album of mostly re-released songs blow VH3 out of the water? You can 'think' all you want, but a disc with only 2 new songs from Dave did just what you said couldn't happen. An album with 3 new songs from Hagar failed to do that.

[i]If this would have been an album of new stuff, it would have blown 3 out of the water. Its hard to justify buying a 2 disc cd for 20 bucks for three new songs dont ya think? [/B]

By that logic it's even harder justifying paying 15 bucks for a single disc. Would you pay $3 for a gallon of milk or $4 for 2 gallons? When you get down to it, it's hard to justify buying an album with 3 new Hagar songs as the stats show, we know that already.

[i]I think people can maniupluate numbers to say what they believe, and i thinks thats just what you did. peace! [/B]

I think people make excuses when they have no numbers to back them up, and that's just what you did.

Originally posted by Tom Foolery
You also left out that BOV 1 also had a new Hagar tune on it, you gotta think that also helped boost the sales. The people who like Jump and Right Now already have the greatest hits they need, they are not going to come back for another one, again, skewed numbers

LOL, the sticker on the disc said "2 new songs with David Lee Roth" and Humans Being wasn't "new".

It's quite evident that the small pro-Van Hagar faction is getting more desperate as they come up with excuse after excuse. You think you guys would have saw the light when Sammy said it wasn't worth making a new record since it wouldn't sell anyway. Funny how he said that right after BOBW's sales were posted and Warner told VH they wanted nothing to do with Van Hagar anymore.

[pete]

Originally posted by Tom Foolery
You also left out that BOV 1 also had a new Hagar tune on it, you gotta think that also helped boost the sales. It was also the first time you could buy a cd with all the big time hits on it. The people who like Jump and Right Now already have the greatest hits they need, they are not going to come back for another one, again, skewed numbers

LOL

Oh Tom

Please proceed to the homo section called vhlinks

We made it just for you.

utilise the resources provided by us.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by Tom Foolery
[B The people who like Jump and Right Now already have the greatest hits they need, they are not going to come back for another one, again, skewed numbers [/B]

"Figures don't lie...But liars can figure."

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by Greenbuds
So, genius, how did BOV1, an album of mostly re-released songs blow VH3 out of the water? You can 'think' all you want, but a disc with only 2 new songs from Dave did just what you said couldn't happen. An album with 3 new songs from Hagar failed to do that.

Because it was the first greatest hits they had ever put out. I said it sold more because it was the first time all of those songs were on the same disc, you cant credit Roth for all the sales of BOV 1, nor can you credit Sam for the sales of BOBW

By that logic it's even harder justifying paying 15 bucks for a single disc. Would you pay $3 for a gallon of milk or $4 for 2 gallons? When you get down to it, it's hard to justify buying an album with 3 new Hagar songs as the stats show, we know that already.



I think people make excuses when they have no numbers to back them up, and that's just what you did.

I dont know where you shop , but i never get a cd for more that 13 dollars. the difference of 13 to 20 dollars is enough for the CASUAL VH fan not to purchase. Im not talking the die hards, because they will buy no matter what is put out, but i think the difference is the casual vh fan alreday had a greatest hits, and didnt need a 2 disc of songs they have never heard

LOL, the sticker on the disc said "2 new songs with David Lee Roth" and Humans Being wasn't "new".

It's quite evident that the small pro-Van Hagar faction is getting more desperate as they come up with excuse after excuse. You think you guys would have saw the light when Sammy said it wasn't worth making a new record since it wouldn't sell anyway. Funny how he said that right after BOBW's sales were posted and Warner told VH they wanted nothing to do with Van Hagar anymore.

It was the first time Human Being was released on any thing but a shitty twister soundtrack, so it mind as well have been new. Look im not srguing the BOBW is better that BOV 1, im just saying it sure as hell beats that shit called VH 3

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by pete
LOL

Oh Tom

Please proceed to the homo section called vhlinks

We made it just for you.

utilise the resources provided by us.

Im finding out i fit in pretty well over there

[Tom Foolery]

but you guys are more fun

[bueno bob]

Most of Van Halen diehards that were interested had already bought the Twister soundtrack for the "Humans Being" piece of poop, and they also got "Respect the Wind" out of it, so the so-called 'new' Hagar track wasn't any selling point for BOV1 at all.

I also happen to remember that Van Halen showed up on MTV doing some video music awards and people kinda forgot that Hagar was ever in the band at all, if you were actually watching the audience. DLR era Van Halen was ALL OVER the radio. David Lee Roth and Van Halen were on the cover (or at least covered) in magazine after magazine after magazine. Christ, I saw it on the nightly news, even! One of the top stories.

It doesn't take any great leap of logic to determine that David Lee Roth's 2 new songs with the band are what sold BOV1, and the ONLY thing that sold BOV1. NO greatest hits album ever sells that well, it doesn't matter who you are...not unless there's something really, really special on it.

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by bueno bob



It doesn't take any great leap of logic to determine that David Lee Roth's 2 new songs with the band are what sold BOV1, and the ONLY thing that sold BOV1. NO greatest hits album ever sells that well, it doesn't matter who you are...not unless there's something really, really special on it.

Something really special like 20 years of Van Halen, i believe that is special enough to sell records

[bueno bob]

Oh, come on! Who would have bought a Van Halen best of album with nothing new on it? I guarantee you, had that album NOT had the 2 new songs with it, NOBODY would have bothered, because nobody generally bothers with buying greatest hits albums. Oh sure, they sell to X amount of people who don't buy every single album the day it hits the stores, but I think it's a serious gap in logic to think that it would have sold the same amount of copies without something that people had been waiting 11 years to hear, no?

[Tom Foolery]

I highly doubt that it would have sold as many copies, but what im saying is ALOT of people bought that because it was all they wanted in their VH collection. Its like how i bought the David Bowie greatest hits, i dont really want to buy all his cds to get on a handful of songs i want, and im sure lots of people bought BOV1 thinking the same thing. What the new songs did were get the people who were die hard vh fans to buy the cd, why would they buy it if they already had every CD with the same songs on it? By adding the two new dave songs they were able to sell to the people who alredy owned every album, but now those people who only wanted a best of, dont want BOBW because they havnt even heard most of the songs, they have their greatest hits and they dont need another

[DLRdelight!]

One Roth song alone will sell more than a million from hagar

[Tom Foolery]

Originally posted by DLRdelight!
One Roth song alone will sell more than a million from hagar