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  • bueno bob
    DIAMOND STATUS
    • Jul 2004
    • 22951

    No Fat in Van Halen?

    I posted this in reply to the thread "The Stuff Eddie Doesn't Want You to Hear", but thought it had merit on it's own enough to start a thread with it. Here goes....the lies never cease with these fuckers, I swear...





    VAN HALEN Have Released Almost Every Song They Have Completed [Rock Hard - 04.08.10 09:13:40]

    Undercover News Australia (www.undercover.com.au) has issued the following VAN HALEN report:



    No Fat In Van Halen



    There's no fat in the Van Halen coffers according to the band's Alex Van Halen and Sammy Hagar. Almost every song they have ever finished recording since their first album in 1978 has been released.



    "There are no real tracks that are unreleased. There may be two or three songs that were partially completed" Alex tells Undercover News. "If those songs were really worthwhile we would have released them back when they were written".



    "One of the biggest mistakes artists can make is to go back on the stuff they passed on in the first place and throw it out as new, which it isn't" he adds. "Ed is very particular in which direction he wants to go in musically and that is forward. I don't know if there is such a thing as going forward in music. It is either up, down, sideways or backwards. It goes in a circle. The intent that goes in to behind making a piece of music is as important as the perception of that piece of music. The intent is to go forward. If you go backwards, then forget it. It doesn't work. We don't go back and go through old tapes".



    Even since Sammy Hagar joined the band, almost every thing they recorded was released. "I can only think that for the 11 years I was in the band there is probably only three unfinished songs that we worked on, just like there is four from this one and we only released three".



    According to Hagar, "you wouldn't want to hear it. It is not done. The lyrics aren't done, the melody is not done and the structure is not there. It was left half cooked. The idea is probably still good but I doubt if we would ever go back and use it because when we get back together and go in the studio it is about where you are at at that moment, not about something you did back there and trying to rekindling that. It is much better to go fresh every time. It is more inspiring. It is like going back to your old girlfriend".



    The three news songs that made the Best of Both Worlds are 'It's About Time', 'Up For Breakfast' and 'Learning To See'. All three songs were created on the fly after Hagar rejoined the band. "For one thing we don't keep an accurate log of when the idea came to mind or when the music came to fruition" Alex says. "It is kind of nailed jello to the wall. It just comes and it goes. It just happened that when the four of us got together we played as much music as Sammy could digest and the one's that really stuck in his head were the ones that we worked on. It was nothing more or nothing less than that. It was that simple".



    "It was kind of when I first walked in, Ed and Al had been in the studio for a couple of years and they had a lot of ideas floating around with no lyrics and no song structure" Sammy said. "It was hard for me to digest at first but because of the time limit, as soon as we got together we said lets go out on tour which is what we like to do more than anything, play live, I picked on the ones that instantly sang to me, ones I thought I could come up with some good lyrics for. In a way it sounds like I took the easy road with the ones that just presented themselves. Otherwise we would still be in there sorting through music".



    "There is enough music for 100 years in that studio to write songs for laying around on the floor" he adds. "We had four songs and the forth one never got completed. These three got done in time to go out on tour and I mean barely. We were still in the studio mixing and rehearsing at night and mastering and being on tour. It was pretty intense. These three were the ones that came naturally to us".



    Van Halen has just released their compilation The Best of Both Worlds.

    ***************



    Um, is it just me, or do I have something like 5 CDs worth of Van Halen studio material ALONE that was finished, but never released? Not to mention all of the live video footage and audio recordings that could make enough for a GREAT Diamond Dave era 2 CD live album and/or DVD. Who are these fuckstains trying to kid? Do they REALLY BELIEVE, in this day and age, that people DON'T have access to these bootlegs? Have they forgotten that the internet is a GREAT SOURCE FOR TRADING BOOTLEGS??? AND THAT A WHOLE SHITLOAD OF THEM ARE OUT THERE???

    "There's only two or three partially completed songs" MY ASS.

    Now, I would believe that there isn't any real Sammy Hagar unreleased material, that much strikes me as truthful - I'm sure it's hard enough for them to come up with enough material to actually RECORD an album in the first place, considering all the time they have to spend playing XBox, drinking and running around naked slapping each others asses and shouting "IT'S 5150 TIME!!!" all day long...
    Last edited by bueno bob; 08-13-2004, 02:09 PM.
    Twistin' by the pool.
  • EmpyreLounge44
    Foot Soldier
    • Jun 2004
    • 724

    #2
    this has been in like 10 threads since it first popped up. i dont know what is hard to believe that the Vaults are pretty bare. The key word is "finished" in there. they constantly resuse parts and stuff. The "mega hit" Between us Two was turned into Year to the Day on the 3 disc

    what stuff do you have unreleased that was finished by the way?

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    • bueno bob
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Jul 2004
      • 22951

      #3
      OK, so your point is, unfinished songs shouldn't be released or had anything done with them, and that's OK with you. Fair enough. What's your precise definition of an "Unfinished Song"? Something that Van Halen doesn't want to release because it has David Lee Roth on it, something that they'd rather let sit and collect dust in a vault somewhere rather than remastering it, remixing it, making it sound good, giving it to the fans as a gift and having it outsell anything Sammy Hagar's done with VH over the last eleven years in about a week?

      If that's the case, I've got PLENTY of "Unfinished Songs". It'd make for a nice 3-4 CD set. But God knows, we can't have that...Van Failin' is a band about "Moving Forward and Not Looking Back(c)", that's why we're going through the bullshit of a Greatest Hits tour "Right Now".

      Yup.
      Twistin' by the pool.

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      • bueno bob
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 22951

        #4
        Additionally, sorry if this topic's been brought up in "10 Other Threads". I've been gone for a few days and just found it, thought I'd bring it over.
        Twistin' by the pool.

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        • EmpyreLounge44
          Foot Soldier
          • Jun 2004
          • 724

          #5
          its hard to speculate since we havent heard them and have no clue what state they are in. i would like to think that just cause dlr is on them makes them unfinished isnt part of it, but this is van halen we are talking about...nothing is surprising anymore.

          what unfinished stuff or unreleased stuff do you have? you never answered my question...im curious to see so I can go find it to have as well

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          • DLR_EngineRoom
            Veteran
            • Jan 2004
            • 2304

            #6
            Originally posted by bueno bob

            "There are no real tracks that are unreleased. There may be two or three songs that were partially completed" Alex tells Undercover News. "If those songs were really worthwhile we would have released them back when they were written".

            1,2,3 everyone.....BULLSHIT !!!

            Here's an example of FAT IN VAN HALEN
            http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t.../EddieDave.jpg
            http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...ve_ed_2007.jpg
            http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t...os/TORCH_B.gif

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            • moose
              Veteran
              • Mar 2004
              • 1988

              #7
              Ya always put a smile on my face DLR_ER.

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              • Figs
                Crazy Ass Mofo
                • Jun 2004
                • 2945

                #8
                I know I've posted this before, just going with the fat theme...

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                • DeadOrAlive
                  Veteran
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 1683

                  #9
                  DUDE!!!

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                  • GAR
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 10881

                    #10
                    Re: No Fat in Van Halen?

                    Originally posted by bueno bob
                    Almost every song they have ever finished recording since their first album in 1978 has been released.

                    "One of the biggest mistakes artists can make is to go back on the stuff they passed on in the first place.. If you go backwards, then forget it. It doesn't work. We don't go back and go through old tapes"...
                    "We Die YOUNG".. that's one vicious Van Halen tune that is one better-than equivalent dig in the coffers compared to what The Beatles found in "Free As A Bird".

                    Was it '98 or '99 that "Free As A Bird" went #1 for several weeks?

                    Maybe the Brothers SHOULD go back and go through those old tapes and look again at We Die Young; all they'd have to do is release one of the live bootlegs versions and that would be it! Done! Hit!

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                    • GAR
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10881

                      #11
                      By saying The Brothers should do this of course, I meant also to say Sammy should not sing it and if he had any idea of such a colostomy, I'd wish him a good impalement on a Burmese Punjii Stick smeared up with elephant shit.

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                      • bueno bob
                        DIAMOND STATUS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 22951

                        #12
                        Well, let's see then...what could we do...

                        CD#1:
                        Lets Get Rockin
                        Just What You Wanted
                        Babe, Don't Leave Me Alone
                        Honolulu Baby
                        Young and Wild
                        We Die Young
                        Angel Eyes
                        No More Waiting
                        Bullethead
                        Put Out the Lights
                        House of Pain (Original Lyrics)
                        Bring On the Girls (Original Lyrics - Beautiful Girls)
                        Fools (Original Lyrics)
                        Rock Steady
                        Shape of Things

                        CD#2:
                        Where Were You Last Night (Original Lyrics - Hang Em High)
                        Get the Show On the Road
                        Light in the Sky
                        I Wanna be Your Lover
                        Big Trouble
                        Piece of Mind
                        Oceanside
                        Voodoo Queen (Original Version - Mean Street)
                        Believe Me
                        Loss of Control (Original Lyrics)
                        Fresh (Instrumental)
                        Eyes of Night
                        One More Time
                        She's the Woman
                        Wild Fire
                        Don't Call Us, We'll Call You


                        CDs #3 & #4:
                        There's certainly MORE than enough material from 1978-1984 to put together a two disc live career retrospective with DLR, from their earliest club days up til the 1984 world tour, don't you think? All of it just begging to be remastered and released OFFICIALLY...I'd be glad to throw all my shitty sounding boots out the window in favor of a REAL DEAL box set like this.

                        There - I've just made myself a nice little four disc box set entitled "VAN HALEN - THE VAULTS". And that's just based on the bootlegs we ALL PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALREADY. How much probably exists that they exclusively have, yet won't do anything with??? Probably a shitload more, my guess. "Vaults Vol. 2", anyone? Who WOULDN'T get nuts over having official versions that sound good, a good booklet with killer pics, liner notes, a good history, a nice DVD as a companion? It'd fly off the shelves, and I'd bet the farm on that.

                        Do they REALLY think there's no demand from the general public to actually hear this stuff? If not, they're either utterly blind or completely aware of the demand, yet won't do us all the favor of putting an official version out there because, well, there's that DLR guy that would have to get a cut of the profits.

                        I don't care what anybody things, Van Halen OWES us official versions of that shit. If they absolutely refuse to put out quality material or satisfy the majority of their fan base with an official DLR reunion album/tour, then throw us this bone at least! To me, it seems a win/win situation - the Roth fans get a cool little treat, Van Halen makes money, David makes money and the Hagar fans can continue their crusade pretending that Sammy actually formed the band in the first place. But, of course, what does Van Halen care what I, as a fan, think? I've been the last on their list of priorities and/or concerns for years now......
                        Twistin' by the pool.

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                        • Matt White
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 20569

                          #13
                          Originally posted by bueno bob
                          Well, let's see then...what could we do...

                          CD#1:
                          Lets Get Rockin
                          Just What You Wanted
                          Babe, Don't Leave Me Alone
                          Honolulu Baby
                          Young and Wild
                          We Die Young
                          Angel Eyes
                          No More Waiting
                          Bullethead
                          Put Out the Lights
                          House of Pain (Original Lyrics)
                          Bring On the Girls (Original Lyrics - Beautiful Girls)
                          Fools (Original Lyrics)
                          Rock Steady
                          Shape of Things

                          CD#2:
                          Where Were You Last Night (Original Lyrics - Hang Em High)
                          Get the Show On the Road
                          Light in the Sky
                          I Wanna be Your Lover
                          Big Trouble
                          Piece of Mind
                          Oceanside
                          Voodoo Queen (Original Version - Mean Street)
                          Believe Me
                          Loss of Control (Original Lyrics)
                          Fresh (Instrumental)
                          Eyes of Night
                          One More Time
                          She's the Woman
                          Wild Fire
                          Don't Call Us, We'll Call You


                          CDs #3 & #4:
                          There's certainly MORE than enough material from 1978-1984 to put together a two disc live career retrospective with DLR, from their earliest club days up til the 1984 world tour, don't you think? All of it just begging to be remastered and released OFFICIALLY...I'd be glad to throw all my shitty sounding boots out the window in favor of a REAL DEAL box set like this.

                          There - I've just made myself a nice little four disc box set entitled "VAN HALEN - THE VAULTS". And that's just based on the bootlegs we ALL PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALREADY. How much probably exists that they exclusively have, yet won't do anything with??? Probably a shitload more, my guess. "Vaults Vol. 2", anyone? Who WOULDN'T get nuts over having official versions that sound good, a good booklet with killer pics, liner notes, a good history, a nice DVD as a companion? It'd fly off the shelves, and I'd bet the farm on that.

                          Do they REALLY think there's no demand from the general public to actually hear this stuff? If not, they're either utterly blind or completely aware of the demand, yet won't do us all the favor of putting an official version out there because, well, there's that DLR guy that would have to get a cut of the profits.

                          I don't care what anybody things, Van Halen OWES us official versions of that shit. If they absolutely refuse to put out quality material or satisfy the majority of their fan base with an official DLR reunion album/tour, then throw us this bone at least! To me, it seems a win/win situation - the Roth fans get a cool little treat, Van Halen makes money, David makes money and the Hagar fans can continue their crusade pretending that Sammy actually formed the band in the first place. But, of course, what does Van Halen care what I, as a fan, think? I've been the last on their list of priorities and/or concerns for years now......
                          Bueno INDEED BOB!!!! You've captured EXACTLY how many of us here feel ,I believe!!! You got my vote Bro!! Roth ON!!!!


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                          • cjmarsicano
                            Roth Army Recruit
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 12

                            #14
                            I would RUN to buy that box set. Over old ladies and young children. With an H2 (and I'm a member of the Green Party, so for me to say I'd drive an H2 is saying something!)

                            Originally posted by bueno bob
                            Well, let's see then...what could we do...

                            CD#1:
                            Lets Get Rockin
                            Just What You Wanted
                            Babe, Don't Leave Me Alone
                            Honolulu Baby
                            Young and Wild
                            We Die Young
                            Angel Eyes
                            No More Waiting
                            Bullethead
                            Put Out the Lights
                            House of Pain (Original Lyrics)
                            Bring On the Girls (Original Lyrics - Beautiful Girls)
                            Fools (Original Lyrics)
                            Rock Steady
                            Shape of Things

                            CD#2:
                            Where Were You Last Night (Original Lyrics - Hang Em High)
                            Get the Show On the Road
                            Light in the Sky
                            I Wanna be Your Lover
                            Big Trouble
                            Piece of Mind
                            Oceanside
                            Voodoo Queen (Original Version - Mean Street)
                            Believe Me
                            Loss of Control (Original Lyrics)
                            Fresh (Instrumental)
                            Eyes of Night
                            One More Time
                            She's the Woman
                            Wild Fire
                            Don't Call Us, We'll Call You


                            CDs #3 & #4:
                            There's certainly MORE than enough material from 1978-1984 to put together a two disc live career retrospective with DLR, from their earliest club days up til the 1984 world tour, don't you think? All of it just begging to be remastered and released OFFICIALLY...I'd be glad to throw all my shitty sounding boots out the window in favor of a REAL DEAL box set like this.

                            There - I've just made myself a nice little four disc box set entitled "VAN HALEN - THE VAULTS". And that's just based on the bootlegs we ALL PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALREADY. How much probably exists that they exclusively have, yet won't do anything with??? Probably a shitload more, my guess. "Vaults Vol. 2", anyone? Who WOULDN'T get nuts over having official versions that sound good, a good booklet with killer pics, liner notes, a good history, a nice DVD as a companion? It'd fly off the shelves, and I'd bet the farm on that.

                            Do they REALLY think there's no demand from the general public to actually hear this stuff? If not, they're either utterly blind or completely aware of the demand, yet won't do us all the favor of putting an official version out there because, well, there's that DLR guy that would have to get a cut of the profits.

                            I don't care what anybody things, Van Halen OWES us official versions of that shit. If they absolutely refuse to put out quality material or satisfy the majority of their fan base with an official DLR reunion album/tour, then throw us this bone at least! To me, it seems a win/win situation - the Roth fans get a cool little treat, Van Halen makes money, David makes money and the Hagar fans can continue their crusade pretending that Sammy actually formed the band in the first place. But, of course, what does Van Halen care what I, as a fan, think? I've been the last on their list of priorities and/or concerns for years now......

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                            • DeadOrAlive
                              Veteran
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 1683

                              #15
                              WOW... What a collection!

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