My Tour Estimates Avg. Attendance

[EmpyreLounge44]

i agree they were HUGE in the late 70s and 80s....its 2004. that means shit as far as popularity now

[bueno bob]

I'm siding with Matt on this one. I will agree with Empyre in so far as the whole Boston Pops July 4th thing not being indicitive of people coming to see Roth, but so what? David was seen by more people on that one day (for free, yes) than have seen Van Halen all summer. It was a brilliant gig for David to be involved in.

However, I am going to SEVERELY disagree with Empyre here, and while I'm at it the rest of the damned Hagar sheep lurking around here, as to the interest level of the general public in a DLR reunion/tour. Do you remember a year by the name of 1996 or not? The Hagar sheep had been saying since 1991 that "the general public wouldn't care if Roth came back or not, because Sammy's our man!" (SAME THING you're saying now) and other assorted bullshit.

Question: Who in the FUCK was Sammy Hagar at the MTV awards?
Answer: NOBODY.

Hagar was a ghost, an illusion, Hagar's existance with the band over the prior ten years had been nothing but a bad joke and quickly forgotten by EVERY SINGLE PERSON there. All because of ONE PUBLIC APPEARANCE of Van Halen.

Just one.

Your Sammy Hagar "reunited and feels so good" bullshit tour hasn't been able to generate that much interest over the album and the whole flippin' summer tour. Nowhere even near that much interest. Maybe the general public doesn't care about David solo all that much, but they sure as hell will care about the REAL Van Halen being together and history has proven that. No Hagar revisionists will ever be able to erase it, and I hope that the memory tastes sour to all of you.

I'm tired of being told that I'm not a "real Van Halen fan" if I don't support Hagar, buy their stupid albums, go to their stupid concerts...I'm a fan of the BAND, not this half-assed, lazy, piss poor weak songwriting, poor concert performance excuse of a lineup! If you're a fan, why would you encourage them to be sloppy, be lazy, write slipshod "songs" and force musical excrement down your throat?

Hagar fans don't support Van Halen, they encourage Hagar & Co. to destroy it even more.

[EmpyreLounge44]

if the reunion tour happened in 96, i agree it would have been gigantic and made VH a lot of money and allow them to build a new audience threw the hype MTV was giving them. I don't think that will happen if there is another reunion with DLR with them going on tour this time. MTV and most fans were burned in '96 and wrote the band off for good right there. they dropped the ball big time. It has nothing to do with Sam or even Gary or DLR, VH is/has been nothing but bad PR and reports of failure and Ed's health since 1996

VH is seen as a joke from the wedding singer more than a band in the eyes of the majority of MTV viewers, which are the people needed to be HUGE once again. You absolutly need MTV and I dont think they will put any hype in a band of 50yr olds unable to connect with their audience, which is mostly rap and pop. Can you imagine the horror of Van Halen on fucking TRL....the thought disgusts me at just the attempt at it. The tour will be successful on rock radio but again I do not think it will be as HUGE as everyone here suggests.

I don't know where "reunited and feels so good" comes from, as far as Im concerned it isn't working. The new songs were not good...time for retirement and other projects and let the VH name die. As far as the "real VH fan" thing is concerned...its garbage. The people here and the Links and a few other sites are the only VH fans left...as we contine to support all its members no matter how much we get burned

[Warham]

Yes, Van Halen is a joke.

That much is true.

[Matt White]

When KISS reunited ALL four of its original members in 1996, they had been a "JOKE" for years. They are STILL riding the wave of renewed interest that their 1996 REUNION tour generated. If the MIGHTY VAN HALEN were to reform, many people here would be SHOCKED at how POPULAR a move it would be. The interest in seeing the ORIGINAL band back together would be second ONLY to LED ZEPPELIN.

[badhorsie]

Originally posted by Matt White
WOW! The Copernicus of the STUPID has spoken. I'm sure you know SHEEP all too well bubba.

Well i follow you, the king sheep!:D

[EmpyreLounge44]

I would be very shocked if it was as popular as you claim Mr. White. But your right with Kiss...I never considered that although them trying to reclaim their magic with Psycho Circus I would say turned into quite the disaster and they are back to their joke/nostalgia and nothing more persona. They should do a reunion of them taking off the makeup to shake things up...minus Eric Carr of course

[Matt White]

Originally posted by badhorsie
Well i follow you, the king sheep!:D

19 post in 6 months. Nice to see you've finally grew some NUTS.
You must carry a mirror around with ya, junior, and keep seeing your reflection. Don't worry though, things in it are SMALLER than they seem to be!!!

[frenchie]

the eighties killed so many band!! the 80's killed van halen.
bret easton ellis

[Matt White]

Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
I would be very shocked if it was as popular as you claim Mr. White. But your right with Kiss...I never considered that although them trying to reclaim their magic with Psycho Circus I would say turned into quite the disaster and they are back to their joke/nostalgia and nothing more persona. They should do a reunion of them taking off the makeup to shake things up...minus Eric Carr of course

I was shocked as well EmpyreLounge. They sold out TIGER stadium in well under an hour. Tiger stadium held app 50-60,000 people for that show. I was AMAZED at all the OLD people at the concert. I have attended MANY TIGER games, even during their 1984 World Championship year, and the place never ROCKED like that. Take my word, VAN HALEN would be the EVENT of the year should the original band tour.

[EmpyreLounge44]

which Tiger Staidum show are you refering to? The Psycho Circus one that opened that tour or the reunion tour? I saw the last real Kiss show up in Syracuse, before Ace and Peter left....again...they sold badly and had to play in the smaller venue that year. It was a lot of the older fans...not a lot of younger or even college aged fans.

Its funny when you agree my name is right but if I disagree I am something else.

[Matt White]

Originally posted by EmpyreLounge44
which Tiger Staidum show are you refering to? The Psycho Circus one that opened that tour or the reunion tour? I saw the last real Kiss show up in Syracuse, before Ace and Peter left....again...they sold badly and had to play in the smaller venue that year. It was a lot of the older fans...not a lot of younger or even college aged fans.

Its funny when you agree my name is right but if I disagree I am something else.

The TIGER STADIUM 1996 show, which was OPENING night for their reunion. The tour before psycho circus. No album, just the 4 KISS originals playing their CLASSIC songs. Nothing NEWER than 1978. FUCKING HUGE! People from as far away as JAPAN made the show. KISS rehersed for months:PAUL, ACE, PETER, and GENE. They went over their classic material and where FUCKING INCREDIBLE! THAT'S THE KIND OF REUNION I WANT WITH VAN HALEN!!!!
And as far as your name EmpyreLounge44, when somebody disrespects CLASSIC VAN HALEN & DAVID LEE ROTH I react accordingly.

DAVE OR THE GRAVE BABY!!!

[Panamark]

Originally posted by bueno bob
I'm siding with Matt on this one. I will agree with Empyre in so far as the whole Boston Pops July 4th thing not being indicitive of people coming to see Roth, but so what? David was seen by more people on that one day (for free, yes) than have seen Van Halen all summer. It was a brilliant gig for David to be involved in.

However, I am going to SEVERELY disagree with Empyre here, and while I'm at it the rest of the damned Hagar sheep lurking around here, as to the interest level of the general public in a DLR reunion/tour. Do you remember a year by the name of 1996 or not? The Hagar sheep had been saying since 1991 that "the general public wouldn't care if Roth came back or not, because Sammy's our man!" (SAME THING you're saying now) and other assorted bullshit.

Question: Who in the FUCK was Sammy Hagar at the MTV awards?
Answer: NOBODY.

Hagar was a ghost, an illusion, Hagar's existance with the band over the prior ten years had been nothing but a bad joke and quickly forgotten by EVERY SINGLE PERSON there. All because of ONE PUBLIC APPEARANCE of Van Halen.

Just one.

Your Sammy Hagar "reunited and feels so good" bullshit tour hasn't been able to generate that much interest over the album and the whole flippin' summer tour. Nowhere even near that much interest. Maybe the general public doesn't care about David solo all that much, but they sure as hell will care about the REAL Van Halen being together and history has proven that. No Hagar revisionists will ever be able to erase it, and I hope that the memory tastes sour to all of you.

I'm tired of being told that I'm not a "real Van Halen fan" if I don't support Hagar, buy their stupid albums, go to their stupid concerts...I'm a fan of the BAND, not this half-assed, lazy, piss poor weak songwriting, poor concert performance excuse of a lineup! If you're a fan, why would you encourage them to be sloppy, be lazy, write slipshod "songs" and force musical excrement down your throat?

Hagar fans don't support Van Halen, they encourage Hagar & Co. to destroy it even more.

Great Post Mate !

You fucking nailed it !!

[Big Train]

Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth together shaking hands on a street corner would generate more buzz than the entire summer tour has. That one photo alone could do it. There is entirely to much pent up demand for it. It would be huge just because people WANT to see it. Forget the results, the hype would be relentless,

[Thetruthbaby]

Kiss reunion as opposed to VHagar

A couple of things here. First I don't think Kiss was looked at like a joke before the reunion. In fact musically they had re-gained a good measure of respect from Revenge which was well rec from fans and critics alike. It went gold easily. That may not sound like a lot but Kiss has NEVER sold albums the way VH did. Kiss only have 2 multi-platinum certifications from the R.I.A.A. and those are for Alive II and Smashes Thrashes & Hits. My point being--Kiss was ALWAYS about the live show more than the music. Kiss fans have trouble admitting that sometimes but it's true. So it was no wonder that Kiss' reunion tour was so huge. The makeup and stage show from the legendary Kiss shows was supposedly back (although if you saw the tours you'd know there was actually much left to be desired). With classic VH they not only had the incredible show but the music as well. DLR era VH was always a radio staple on rock stations (unlike Kiss) and the DLR era VH is now very widely considered "CLASSIC ROCK". Outside of Rock and Roll All Nite Kiss doesn't really have any songs that are considered classic rock by the mainstream rock press or fans really. To sum up--although VH had everything in the world going for them in 96', if they did a tour with DLR now it would still be very big (and certainly bigger than this current sham going on) because DLR era VH is classic rock and there are a vast number of hits from that era that are staples for a generation of rock fans. VH's back catalog sells much better than Kiss' also which indicates that at least SOME of the people buying the older albums are younger people. Kiss is just all about the show. Always has been really. I've always felt Kiss were under-rated musically but the majority of the rock public doesn't feel that way. That is the difference between Kiss and VH. That is why VH wouldn't need as much hype as Kiss if they reunited with DLR. It's easily as much about the music when it comes to DLR VH as it is the show. With Kiss this is simply not true.