Bobw 331,000 Soundscan

[Thetruthbaby]

Metal Sludge is reporting as of Sept 1 that BOBW has soundscanned a little over 331,000 units. I didn't see another post about the actual numbers so I thought I'd put it up. My guess is this album will end up soundscanning about 500,000 to 600,000 and be certified platinum due to the double credit for each unit sold deal by the R.I.A.A. A far cry from the 3 million on the Best of release with the new ROTH tracks at the time. Sure this album will rack up some more sales over time but I'd bet anyone it will never catch the one in 96'. 3 new hagar tracks just didn't generate hardly any excitement.

[Hollywood Jesus]

Re: Bobw 331,000 Soundscan

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
My guess is this album will end up soundscanning about 500,000 to 600,000 and be certified platinum due to the double credit for each unit sold deal by the R.I.A.A.

Never heard of anything like this deal. How do you get credited two-for-one? It's not even seperate packaging.

[Matt White]

Re: Bobw 331,000 Soundscan

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
Metal Sludge is reporting as of Sept 1 that BOBW has soundscanned a little over 331,000 units. I didn't see another post about the actual numbers so I thought I'd put it up. My guess is this album will end up soundscanning about 500,000 to 600,000 and be certified platinum due to the double credit for each unit sold deal by the R.I.A.A. A far cry from the 3 million on the Best of release with the new ROTH tracks at the time. Sure this album will rack up some more sales over time but I'd bet anyone it will never catch the one in 96'. 3 new hagar tracks just didn't generate hardly any excitement.

Now THAT's what I call Tellin' THE TRUTH BABY!!!! 5 star vote to you sir!
I love the fact that every sale of this pile of MONKEY SPUNK is worth 2 sales. Now the SHEEP will scream and cry that "IT WENT PLATINUM!!!!". BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!! I've said ALL ALONG, if those Van Hagar HOMOs had a set of BALLS between 'em, they would have put out a Van Hagar greatest hits with NO DAVE on it! Really put the PAST behind 'em.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! NO FUCKING WAY!!! They wanted to sell more than 3 copies!!!!!

FUCK YOU Van Hagar!!!!:fucku2: :fucku2: :fucku2:

[Warham]

BOBW has already been certified Platinum.

[DLR'sCock]

I posted these numbers yesterday over at the links...

hehe

[Thetruthbaby]

2 counted for each

You get credit for sales of 2 units by the R.I.A.A. if you have a double disk set. It's plainly referred to on their website. It doesn't mean a damn thing that it is packaged together. Everyone in the industry knows about it. The Rolling Stones 40 licks was a double disk set, therefore although it's certified at sales of 4 million it has only sold around 2 million. The hagar fans and other doubters never cease to amaze me with their ignorance. The R.I.A.A. has been doing it this way for a long time. Check their website. I could post the VH album sales or figures every week and still get people disputing it or saying they've never heard of such things. Incredible. I still get private messages from some of the idiots on this board disputing numbers fom Billboard referring to album sales which really is incredible. They'll never learn.

[Thetruthbaby]

RIAA

To expand a little (for those who don't know-hagar fans essentially) the 331,000 units does mean that 331,000 people (basically) have bought this double disk set. That is the soudscan number. But the R.I.A.A. counts that as 662,000 towards certification since it's a double disk set. The first Best of with the ROTH tracks has been certified for 3million and has soundscanned well over 2 million. Since the first Best of was a SINGLE disk set they only get credit ONE TIME for each copy purchased. That is the difference between the two and that is why the platinum certification of the newest package is nowhere near as impressive when you break things down. Trust me--- EDDIE VAN HALEN & hagar BOTH know all of this. Gauranteed.

[RogueHorseman]

Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
...Incredible. I still get private messages from some of the idiots on this board disputing numbers fom Billboard referring to album sales which really is incredible. They'll never learn.

Exactly why I quit posting verified, PAID attendance stats.

The degree to which some (sheep) will go to actively, knowingly deceive themselves is utterly amazing...

[Dave's Dradle]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the RIAA uses the numbers shipped, not sold. Therefore the reason that it hasn't sold 500,000 double disc units but is still certified platinum.

But one point is dead on accurate, the fact that they try to diminish Dave's contributions and the value of the first six albums at every turn, yet when they release a greatest hits album they have no problem putting his contributions there to help it sell.

No way do they move that many units with just Hagar years on it.

[Thetruthbaby]

RIAA

Yes the RIAA uses net shipments (minus returns) to give gold, platinum, and multi-platinum certifications. So the BOBW has soundscanned 331,000 as of Sept 1. The RIAA gives them credit as of that point for 662,000 (due to the double disk set) but since way more than 662,000 have been SHIPPED they get a platinum album once they reach 1 million units shipped. It's weird how they do it but it's always been like that. I have a friend at Sanctuary who used to work for Barry White's label (I know - I know) and he said that White got a platinum album a few years back before he died for an album that had barely soundscanned 500,000 units. Once I started reading Billboard and really closely looking at the articles it became clear to me that this was the norm. Shipments rather than actual sales are what determine certification levels. It's important to realize though that one big reason the industry wanted soundscan was that it was more difficult for them to tell how many units albums had actually sold back in the old days and that led to over-stock (think Kiss with the 78' solo album debacle) . Then that led to a lot of returns and the labels got tired of dealing with it. So while you'll still see albums that may have shipped significantly more than they actually sold, it's closer than it used to be. So (for instance) W Brothers will know not to try and unload another 500,000 shipments on the record stores because they'll just sit there and eventually be returned. They have much better barometer of what is happening with the album/s these days. Bottom line is that while this album is probably certified platinum, it looks to be a loooooong time before it actually hits 1 million soundscanned if it ever does. And WBros will not be shipping many more at all since it's now nosediving down the charts.

[Rebel]

The final tally for me will be after the holidays, we'll know long-term how it stands.

I know you love posting Van Halen vs Van Hagar stats, that's fine and good. But honestly if Roth era had sold half of what the Hagar era did, I personally wouldn't care, Roth would still be better in my book.

The Backstreet Boys sold millions of more albums that Zakk Wylde has, but they don't have a millionth the talent that he has, so record sales don't mean shit.

Dave ain't the man because of the number of albums he sold with VH or how many he sold solo, he's the man because..........he's the fuckin man.

[hotdog@ a shake]

I already know of the rules and regulations, or manipulation of sales the riaa likes to play, and everything thruthbaby wrote is pretty dead on, I also started reading Billboard and got interested...

check this out: do you guys know that if a double cd set does nopt exceed 100 minutes of play time, it's still considered as 1? who made up this dumb fuck rule? yep, the original Elvis Presley "TOP 10 HITS" Lp/cd released in 1987 was a double, has 38 fuckin' songs on it, but when it came time to certify sales stats, it only counted as 1, simply cuz it did not exceed 100 minutes of actual playing time!!! if you goto the riaa site, that cd set is credited w/ 3X Platinum. as far as I'm concerned, it was a double album when it came out, and that's what sold...but it only gets credited as 1...???

What I wanna know is, does anyone have any soundscan stats on Dave's solo efforts? I really thought Dave had sold alot more records than what that heavily biased "Sam and Dave" Vh1 show had presented on Roth's solo projects...

oh, and I jus read that spam's "Essential Collection", (what a fuckin' ball busta), is now @ #175...

[Tiger Roth]

Originally posted by hotdog@ a shake
What I wanna know is, does anyone have any soundscan stats on Dave's solo efforts? I really thought Dave had sold alot more records than what that heavily biased "Sam and Dave" Vh1 show had presented on Roth's solo projects...

Metal Sludge reported last month that "Diamond Dave" sold about 12500 units. Thats the only one they gave the figures on.

[Panamark]

So this scam, hasnt outsold Van Halen's worst bomb, VHIII ??

Wont you tell me ?
Where have all the Bad Sheep Gone,
Where have all the Bad Sheep Gone !

C'mon Sheep Peeps... Defend away, I wanna hear ya !!

[John Holmes]

Originally posted by Panamark
So this scam, hasnt outsold Van Halen's worst bomb, VHIII ??

Seems so, Panamark.

Wont you tell me ?
Where have all the Bad Sheep Gone,
Where have all the Bad Sheep Gone !

C'mon Sheep Peeps... Defend away, I wanna hear ya !!

Ahaha, right on, man.

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